Serious Question 4 Liberals

invest, invest, invest in our future
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i don't know how much free health care to illegals we should hand out as we double and triple the healthcare bill for those who work in this country

In 24 States, 50% or More of Babies Born on Medicaid; New Mexico Leads Nation With 72%

In 24 of the nation’s 50 states at least half of the babies born during the latest year on record had their births paid for by Medicaid, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.

New Mexico led all states with 72 percent of the babies born there in 2015 having their births covered by Medicaid.

Arkansas ranked second with 67 percent; Louisiana ranked third with 65 percent; and three states—Mississippi, Nevada and Wisconsin—tied for fourth place with 64 percent of babies born there covered by Medicaid.
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uh-oh. What now leftys?

A ‘very credible’ new study on Seattle’s $15 minimum wage has bad news for liberals

When Seattle officials voted three years ago to incrementally boost the city's minimum wage up to $15 an hour, they'd hoped to improve the lives of low-income workers. Yet according to a major new study that could force economists to reassess past research on the issue, the hike has had the opposite effect.

The city is gradually increasing the hourly minimum to $15 over several years. Already, though, some employers have not been able to afford the increased minimums. They've cut their payrolls, putting off new hiring, reducing hours or letting their workers go, the study found.

The costs to low-wage workers in Seattle outweighed the benefits by a ratio of three to one, according to the study, conducted by a group of economists at the University of Washington who were commissioned by the city. The study, published as a working paper Monday by the National Bureau of Economic Research, has not yet been peer reviewed.

UW study finds Seattle’s minimum wage is costing jobs

Seattle’s minimum-wage law is boosting wages for a range of low-paid workers, but the law is causing those workers as a group to lose hours, and it’s also costing jobs, according to the latest study on the measure passed by the City Council in 2014.

The report, by members of the University of Washington team studying the law’s impacts for the city of Seattle, is being published Monday by a nonprofit think tank, the National Bureau of Economic Research.

Seattle should open its eyes to minimum-wage research | The Seattle Times
UST last week, Seattle Mayor Ed Murray celebrated a University of California-Berkeley study that found the city’s minimum-wage experiment had been good for restaurant workers: higher pay with no negative impact on jobs.

Don’t expect similar treatment for a different study, released Monday, from a research team at the University of Washington. It found disturbing effects from Seattle’s minimum-wage law beyond just the restaurant industry, which accounts for less than a third of all low-wage jobs in the city.

The UW researchers found a 9.4 percent drop in hours worked by low-wage workers both in and out of the restaurant industry — resulting in the equivalent of a whopping 6,317 full-time jobs eliminated. Even with a higher wage floor, the average low-wage worker’s monthly pay dropped by $124 — a 6.6 percent pay cut — because of lost hours.
 

This is unpossible. Clearly this biased bullshit study didnt account for several things: happiness at increased pay, more leisure time, less stress from evil bosses, and of course, more people to hang out with to discuss important matters about what they will be doing with this new windfall of more cash in paychecks.

ANd if this doesnt work, we should go to a universal basic income then. It's a sound idea because we say so. Our ideas are always the best ideas.
 
This is unpossible. Clearly this biased bullshit study didnt account for several things: happiness at increased pay, more leisure time, less stress from evil bosses, and of course, more people to hang out with to discuss important matters about what they will be doing with this new windfall of more cash in paychecks.

ANd if this doesnt work, we should go to a universal basic income then. It's a sound idea because we say so. Our ideas are always the best ideas.

Seattle Min Wage Hikes Crushing The Poor: 6,700 Jobs Lost, Annual Wages Down $1,500 - UofW Study | Zero Hedge

not going to lie

bernie gonna be proud of this finding today
 

What is this bullshit? It was debunked in my previous post. Stop lying! And stop acting like bernie and any members of his family are under investigation either. We all know that anyone under investigation is automatically guilty like that fucking Orange Hitler with Russia. He stole the election and he needs to go to jail.

Why do you people lie so much? Dont you know it's abusive and very hateful? Plus it makes you a bad person.

Fuck you people.
 

from the study (which I could not read in entirety). btw it seemed to work for restaurant employees. let the changes sit for a bit and see if the increased wages translate into increased spending and increased demand for the small businesses effected by the change

This paper evaluates the wage, employment, and hours effects of the first and second phase-in of the Seattle Minimum Wage Ordinance, which raised the minimum wage from $9.47 to $11 per hour in 2015 and to $13 per hour in 2016. Using a variety of methods to analyze employment in all sectors paying below a specified real hourly rate, we conclude that the second wage increase to $13 reduced hours worked in low-wage jobs by around 9 percent, while hourly wages in such jobs increased by around 3 percent. Consequently, total payroll fell for such jobs, implying that the minimum wage ordinance lowered low-wage employees’ earnings by an average of $125 per month in 2016. Evidence attributes more modest effects to the first wage increase. We estimate an effect of zero when analyzing employment in the restaurant industry at all wage levels, comparable to many prior studies.
 
from the study (which I could not read in entirety). btw it seemed to work for restaurant employees. let the changes sit for a bit and see if the increased wages translate into increased spending and increased demand for the small businesses effected by the change

Do you get tired of being a sucker?

Yesterday we had the release of the follow up report into the effects of the city's rise to a $15 minimum wage. That report showed that this was not a good idea, that the wage rise made the low paid worse off, not better. I detailed the why of all that here.

The finding really is that the rise in wages per hour leads to a reduction in total incomes for these very low wage workers that the policy is aimed at helping. It's probably not a good policy then. Note that this is about a rise to $13, the planned $15 an hour is going to be worse.

Or as the AP report has it:

A University of Washington team studying the law’s effects found that the law has boosted pay in low-wage jobs since it took effect in 2015, but that it also caused a 9 percent reduction in hours worked, The Seattle Times reported . For an average low-wage Seattle worker, that’s a loss of about $125 per month, the study said.

The full paper is here.

OK, so what's worse about it? Well, take this from the Washington Post:

That doesn’t mean that nobody in Seattle will ever lose a job, of course, or that the University of Washington team’s research doesn’t merit further exploration. But it does mean that the Seattle minimum wage increase, like every minimum wage increase in American history, has lifted the wages of low-wage workers and been perfectly fine for the economy.

So, a paper comes out stating that the minimum wage rise has been a bad idea yet here's the claim that everything's just dandy. What gives? Well, he's talking about another paper:

One would do well to dismiss these naysayers. The new study’s findings are out of step with a large body of research pertinent to Seattle’s minimum wage increase, and the study has important limitations. Another recent study without those limitations, from Michael Reich, Sylvia Allegretto and Anna Godoey at the University of California at Berkeley, is more consistent with other research and shows that Seattle’s minimum wage is having its intended effects.

That paper is here.

So, we've a battle of papers, duelling evidence. And that's what makes it even worse, why I call this shameless. For here's, from the Seattle Weekly, how that second, pro-minimum wage, report came about:

To review, the timeline seems to have gone like this: The UW shares with City Hall an early draft of its study showing the minimum wage law is hurting the workers it was meant to help; the mayor’s office shares the study with researchers known to be sympathetic toward minimum wage laws, asking for feedback; those researchers release a report that’s high on Seattle’s minimum wage law just a week before the negative report comes out.

It was my colleague here at Forbes, Michael Saltsman, who spotted the interesting piece of the second paper:

Seattle Mayor Ed Murray conveniently had an infographic designed and ready to go for the study's release. His office excitedly tweeted that the policy had "raised food workers' pay, without negative impact on employment," linking to an uploaded study version on the Mayor's personal .gov website rather than a University domain.

The Mayor's enthusiasm was understandable: The report "was prepared at the request of the Mayor of Seattle," according to the authors--apparently as a public relations prop.

Or as Mark Perry put it:

In other words, if you don’t like an unflattering study from a team of researchers from the local university that accurately exposes some of the negative employment effects of the city of Seattle’s $15 minimum wage, you shop around – out of state in this case — for a more favorable study of that questionable and risky public policy experiment.

Yes, I do consider that shameless.

To return to the basic point that should be under discussion here. Absolutely everyone--well, OK, maybe not Nick Hanauer--agrees that there is some level of the minimum wage where the unemployment effects become a greater cost than the benefits of the higher wages going to those who remain in work. Obviously this depends a bit upon how you value higher wages and the costs of involuntary unemployment. But it also depends upon the size of the unemployment effect for different levels of minimum wage. The first is a matter of opinion, that second is a purely empirical matter which we can and should solve by data examination. Which is what the UW paper tries to do and it even flags up that we seem to have a rather larger unemployment effect from this latest rise. Which accords quite well with the old rule of thumb that this is likely to be true at around 50% of median wage. Which is why the boss of that Washington Post writer, Jared Bernstein, until recently supported a $12 Federal minimum wage and no more. Along with the EPI and many others in fact, even Hillary.

Thus we shouldn't be looking for a duel of competing political theories and creating evidence to support them, instead, actually observing the many natural experiments going on right now, including that in Seattle, to see what large minimum wage rises actually do.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2017/06/27/these-people-are-shameless-seattles-15-minimum-wage-is-worse-than-you-thought/#1a21c0b431ba
 
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wouldn't this be tragic?

this is not at all what is happening in practice tho

ya that IP might be coming from JP but i guarantee its some fuckin loser ass ALT "i think im an english teacher" who doesnt know shit

this country is fucked

we watched taxes go up 8% on EVERYTHING in one goddamn day and we're about to get another 7%

all within 5 years

meanwhile rent and mortgages are at record highs and america has a lower unemployment rate (note that this is diff from not-in-workforce rate)
 
Youtube is back at poozing shit up again, lol

#ProudToBe: Celebrate Brave Voices this Pride - YouTube

:rofl:

We're not militant, at all. You insufferable pricks are.

In a world where some people still try to silence LGBTQ+ voices, the act of being yourself is an act of bravery for all to see. And in the context of a global climate that highlights the vulnerability of LGBTQ+ rights, it’s more important than ever that LGBTQ+ voices and stories are shared and heard.

Yes, I see marches / protests errrrrrrrryday by Christians and others who want to shut you people up. Only muslims tolerate you and they'll go to great heights to prove it.
 
:rofl:

We're not militant, at all. You insufferable pricks are.



Yes, I see marches / protests errrrrrrrryday by Christians and others who want to shut you people up. Only muslims tolerate you and they'll go to great heights to prove it.

I see what you did there.
 
lol at the triggered geriatric comments on that video

i see a lot of fine young youtube users fighting for these people to stfu and stop cramming this shit down our throats all the time. gives me hope for the future of our younger generations.
 
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