I'm not sure I understand this. What does it mean to have the right to negotiate collectively without a counterparty? Do I still have the right to a trial by jury if the state is no longer forced to abide by the jury's verdict?
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You have the right to ask. The state may agree to your terms, or it may tell you to buzz off. But it would not be under legal compulsion to set a meeting with you and try to come to a middle ground. This is what the 'must bargain in good faith' clause means. A legal compulsion for the state to cave into some union demands, unless it has a really good reason (as determined by a judge) not to. The state (or really taxpayers) are no longer under that compulsion, but they could still reach an agreement with the unions if they so chose.
Tantric Rex
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The democrats in madison were straight up pieces of shit. This is the way the voting process works. The republicans there were following the legislative process and the demos took there ball and ran.
Elections have consequences and this is the consequence of the november election.
The repupublicans never ran out and hid when the majority of americans were against the Obamacare bill. They stayed and voted.
I would have alot more respect for the democrats if they would have stayed and voted.
We see exactly who pays the bills for the democrats with these protests - the unions.
Elections have consequences and this is the consequence of the november election.
The repupublicans never ran out and hid when the majority of americans were against the Obamacare bill. They stayed and voted.
I would have alot more respect for the democrats if they would have stayed and voted.
We see exactly who pays the bills for the democrats with these protests - the unions.
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While you generally post inane crap, I agree with you here.
This is a very real issue for Mary and me. If people think we're being greedy, it's their right to say that. If people don't agree with what we're doing and why we're doing it, they have the right to do that also. If people disagree ideologically, they can say so, like you did and I welcome that kind of comment.
However, people also have the right to say that it's very much in my character to lead others in demanding a free handout, and taunt me about my alcoholism. It doesn't really have anything to do with the issues here or this thread. But sure, Scooby has the right to do it, and he invoked it.
So I guess there were no unions before the NLRB? And businesses have the right to move. Taxpayers don't.
Also, remember who empowered the NLRB? FDR. Remember why he didn't include public sector employee? Because public sector unions are bullshit.
In the private sector, if management takes kickbacks from unions and then caves to their demands, they are prosecuted under racketeering laws on behalf of the shareholders. In the public sector, when government officials get huge campaign donations from unions for caving into their demands, this called helping out working class families.
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[*] [*] Union misinformation and wrong. They will still be allowed to collectively bargain for salary.
[*] [*] Financial condition of the state has changed so changing the law to match makes sense. Standard function of gov't is to update laws. The state is $3 billion in debt and unemployment is over 9%. Should gov't workers be placed on a pedestal and immune to this? Is the gov't worker better than the avg tax payer?
[*] [*] Unions only offered after Walker started the bill. The union's position is about power and politics and so is the governors. Neither is in some way morally superior. Why would you be surprised a politician is engaging in politics?
A 20 minute phone conversation with someone who he thought was an inside political supporter and this is all they got - basically a polite denial of a billionaire's idea.
[*][*] It's a fucking washington post article. It's like me posting a fox article. Ridiculous.
[*] [*] Union misinformation and wrong. They will still be allowed to collectively bargain for salary.
[*] [*] Financial condition of the state has changed so changing the law to match makes sense. Standard function of gov't is to update laws. The state is $3 billion in debt and unemployment is over 9%. Should gov't workers be placed on a pedestal and immune to this? Is the gov't worker better than the avg tax payer?
[*] [*] Unions only offered after Walker started the bill. The union's position is about power and politics and so is the governors. Neither is in some way morally superior. Why would you be surprised a politician is engaging in politics?
A 20 minute phone conversation with someone who he thought was an inside political supporter and this is all they got - basically a polite denial of a billionaire's idea.
[*][*] It's a fucking washington post article. It's like me posting a fox article. Ridiculous.
Its either one of two things:
1. They are providing them incentives to help spur the economy. If I'm a billionaire, and I run say a, Dixie cup factory, and my taxes are lowered, I will add more employees to that to factory. Those people will pay taxes and add to the pool. Some people question this method but in a global market employers (i.e. billionaires) have the leverage, not the guy earning 30k a year.
2. The Republicans are paying them back for campaign contributions.
I tend to agree with #1, but I don't put it past politicians for #2.
Tantric Rex
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U.S. Education Slips In Rankings - CBS News
Read more: U.S. slipping in education rankings - UPI.com
The US is falling like a rock in education but we should just keep giving teachers more money where in any other job a poor performer would be fired.
I'd like to see more charter schools.
NightTrain
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Thats a blanket statement not held dear by all fyi. I am all for flat tax with no deductions which is the same thing as raising tax on the wealthy since they get the most deductions than anyone.
You're pretty confident, are you, that our poor K-12 education showing relative to South Korea is the fault of our teachers?
actually, in terms of economics, it depends on the elasticity of supply and demand. if they are identical and not perfectly elastic or inelastic, then the split will be 50/50 between emmployer and worker.