the funny part about the "amazing" Vir is I was a little fan boy of shoutcasts, and id use tribesip to refresh scores all throughout tribes1 top matches.. and I have no recollection of Vir as a great player, hell I dont even remember him being on 5150s roster in tribes1.. off the top of my head real quick, I remember names like realistik, adren, red dread, krackers, freestyle, smokingman,shithead,leprechaun, achilles, jac, slut, mary, wallace, slam, dabomb, but not once in my memory is there a Vir until T2. go figure. hell if you asked me who HoF'd for 5150 i'd say dread or shithead or smoking man, shrug. Not until like 6 months into T2 had I ever seen Vir's name mentioned, then it came out in shriking posts.