RCMP makes good money

[orbital 123]

What parts of US have you been to for comparison?

driven through or visited for an extended period of time? I have relatives in california that I have visited 4 times for an extended period of time, like 3 weeks or so at a time. driven down there through montana before. So went though a lot of states doing that.

 

[Animo]

Canada should also have less pollution, less cultural diversity, and less delightful warmth than California as well. But I shall see on my visit!

 

[orbital 123]

Canada should also have less pollution, less cultural diversity, and less delightful warmth than California as well. But I shall see on my visit!

less cultural diversity? We have a multi-cultural society bub, that's what canada is all about.

 

[Animo]

California.

 

[james]

Um, you do realize that the US average wage is in the same range right?

Average US wage per BLS is $36,764 in 2002. Lowest average wage in a state is $26,001 (Montana) and highest average wage in a state is $46,852 (Connecticut)

But the difference is they aren't having the same crippling amount of taxes on that wage.

 

[Animo]

Also, Canada has a tiny little army. They could be crushed. So any job there is pretty risky.

 

[orbital 123]

Average US wage per BLS is $36,764 in 2002. Lowest average wage in a state is $26,001 (Montana) and highest average wage in a state is $46,852 (Connecticut)

But the difference is they aren't having the same crippling amount of taxes on that wage.

Our taxes aren't crippling and again our taxes pay for other things that each individual has to pay for themselves in the US which is good from some people and bad for others. It means lower drug costs up here, lower medical costs, etc...

 

[Gangrel]

you get less money
and you pay more taxes

the end

 

[james]

Our taxes aren't crippling and again our taxes pay for other things that each individual has to pay for themselves in the US which is good from some people and bad for others. It means lower drug costs up here, lower medical costs, etc...

If america reformed many of its near socialist policies in to more capitalistic ones, there would be lower drug and medical costs.

People are just too scared of the government not doing the work for them.

 

[orbital 123]

If america reformed many of its near socialist policies in to more capitalistic ones, there would be lower drug and medical costs.

People are just too scared of the government not doing the work for them.

Actually that's opposite. It's your capitalist healthcare system with its massive amount of management and paperwork that creates the higher costs. up here it is all centralized meaning less paperwork and less cost. You have a fucked up idea of socialism if you think the American healthcare system is anywhere near socialist.

 

[Manticore]

I heard that Canada is suffering from brain drain where top doctors are going to the US so they don't have to pay their buttload in tax. Is this true?

 

[james]

Actually in a 100% capitalist/free market economy its all about evolution and survival for those health care companies.

Organizations who bog themselves down in paperwork and red tape will lose money and not be successful. People will not want to pay higher rates for poor service and will go to a company who can provide better service at a lower cost.

Look at the cell phone market for example. Users have a great choice in the providers they can choose from and a wide selection in the cell phone models they can buy. This keeps cell phone service providers keeping service excellent while providing new (hopefully exclusive) features such as DirectConnect or multimedia messaging or wireless web/email at a lower cost than their competitors.

It is about freedom of choice.

 

[james]

I heard that Canada is suffering from brain drain where top doctors are going to the US so they don't have to pay their buttload in tax. Is this true?

Not taxes so much as that they don't make as much money in Canada since it is socialized and everythings a flat rate from the government.

 

[orbital 123]

Actually in a 100% capitalist/free market economy its all about evolution and survival for those health care companies.

Organizations who bog themselves down in paperwork and red tape will lose money and not be successful. People will not want to pay higher rates for poor service and will go to a company who can provide better service at a lower cost.

Look at the cell phone market for example. Users have a great choice in the providers they can choose from and a wide selection in the cell phone models they can buy. This keeps cell phone service providers keeping service excellent while providing new (hopefully exclusive) features such as DirectConnect or multimedia messaging or wireless web/email at a lower cost than their competitors.

It is about freedom of choice.

It has already been proven that a 100 percent capitalist system wouldn't work, just like a communist system doesn't work. that's why you don't see them in the world, you see mixed systems. It looks great on paper but reality is different.

 

[orbital 123]

Not taxes so much as that they don't make as much money in Canada since it is socialized and everythings a flat rate from the government.

It all depends on what you want. If you are in it solely for money then you move to the US, if you are in it for more than that, you stay in Canada. Doctors don't get a poor wage, they make over 80k a year which isn't bad at all, but yeah, specialists are the ones who make over 200k a year, a regular family doctor makes like maybe over 100k a year on average.

 

[Animo]

Dam 80k a year? My dad is an anesthesiologist with a contract in Texas for 450k a year with 6 weeks paid vacation. I still think thats pretty poor and should do more. So he also owns a few businesses for some extra income. I know my lifestyle is a bit excessive, but I couldnt imagine living on 80k. All that schooling to become a doctor for 80k a year? Why not become a janitor or something.

 

[Tyhjä Lipas]

450k? ROFL my dad makes 850k w/ 3 months paid vacation also he works 2hrs/day

 

[Animo]

Does it really sound that ridiculous? Im gonna check google for avg salary of senior anethesiologists and see.

 

[orbital 123]

that is a little excessive if you ask me... I think that the specialists up here make over 200k a year though, especially in larger centers they make more. Some specialists leave saskatchewan because they can make more money in larger centers.

 

[orbital 123]

Frpm the nyt notice the healthcare numbers.

The Medical Money Pit

By PAUL KRUGMAN (NYT) Op-Ed 795 words
Late Edition - Final , Section A , Page 19 , Column 5

ABSTRACT - Paul Krugman Op-Ed article says countries that have something to teach US on health care are not those that pinch pennies like Britain but nations like France, Germany and Canada, which offer good care but still spend far less than US; notes that in 2002 US spent $5,267 per person on health care, 45 percent of which was from government funds, compared with $2,931 in Canada and $2,736 in France, mostly from public money; points out that US health care is thus so expensive that government spends more than governments of other advanced countries, even though private sector pays far higher share of bills than anywhere else; links doctor salaries and drug prices (M)

and

http://www.caribbeanmedicine.com/article9.htm a little reactionary but gives some good numbers.

Family doctors and general practitioners in 1999-2000, working a typical 54.7-hour week, on average billed OHIP $168,300 a year, according to Ontario Medical Association figures. Their average net earnings after overhead expenses is $99,300, the OMA reports.