Hydrogen free energy
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Dangerdoggie
Veteran XV
you'll blow yourself up
Solar cells+hydrogen is a potential end goal for energy usage, but for now it is far too difficult and inefficient to integrate this type of energy into society. Creating hydrogen is an energy-intensive process, and using solar panels to do it would require massive amounts of space and infrastructure.
Nuclear energy from thorium, on the other hand, could be integrated into society without much hassle at all. It's practically plug n play. Thorium plants could also produce hydrogen with a vastly smaller economic and ecological footprint. Of course it's not something you can do in your backyard, though.
Nuclear energy from thorium, on the other hand, could be integrated into society without much hassle at all. It's practically plug n play. Thorium plants could also produce hydrogen with a vastly smaller economic and ecological footprint. Of course it's not something you can do in your backyard, though.
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I think you may not be taking into consideration how much energy this family is using and in how much space they are using it in. It could just be the equipment that is inefficient but not the method.
How many 1 bedroom apartments could be satisfied by this setup?
Jungle Fish
Veteran X
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Got as far as the stupid-ass intro (green writing on a green background, with fucking mpeg artifacts all over it? Obviously whoever put this thing together doesn't give a shit about their audience)
"Limitless, free renewable energy".
sorry, that's bullshit.
The enormous battery of PV cells he has there have a limited lifespan. Granted they're generally 20+ years these days, but it's still a finite period and you need to factor in the replacement cost of those panels (essentially depreciation) to work out the cost. I'm sure those hydrogen cylinders aren't exactly cheap or 'forever', either... Oh, and his shit about 'hydrogen is forever' is bullshit, too. Know how a balloon full of air gets all deflated after a few days? That's because the air can actually leak through the material of the balloon itself. Hydrogen is such a small molecule that it can do that through solid steel. Yes, those gas tanks are constantly leaking his hard-won Hydrogen straight back into the atmosphere.
There's a future in solar, yes. "Individual" scale PV setups like this one, as enormous as it is, are not it. They're certainly handy for remote areas like the one he's in, but that's not an example that would work for anything remotely like what >95% of the population would need.
As far as solar goes, reflector farms with molten salt storage are looking the most promising at the moment.
Hydrogen could be a useful stop-gap in transition from fossil fuels to a fully renewable energy system, and with some further research it might be viable beyond that, but as it stands there are huge problems with it that limit its usefulness long-term.
What I'd really like to see is advancement in some of what's going on at the moment mimicking photosynthesis. There's some theoretical designs around (don't know if any have made it to production) that use rare earth oxide catalysts in sunlight to combine CO2 and water to produce short-chain hydrocarbons. The sunlight heats the catalyst and imparts enough energy to knock the oxygen atoms off. As the oxide is allowed to cool again, it strips oxygen back from surrounding molecules, so H2O and CO2 give up their oxygen and the remaining H and C form up into hydrocarbons. Further processing of those can produce longer chains like isobutanol, which can be used as a direct replacement for gasoline. It has a far higher energy density than hydrogen, it's far easier to store and transport, and it's way more compatible with our existing technology (they've flown A-10s on fuel created from it).
It's also carbon-neutral, just like Hydrogen.
"Limitless, free renewable energy".
sorry, that's bullshit.
The enormous battery of PV cells he has there have a limited lifespan. Granted they're generally 20+ years these days, but it's still a finite period and you need to factor in the replacement cost of those panels (essentially depreciation) to work out the cost. I'm sure those hydrogen cylinders aren't exactly cheap or 'forever', either... Oh, and his shit about 'hydrogen is forever' is bullshit, too. Know how a balloon full of air gets all deflated after a few days? That's because the air can actually leak through the material of the balloon itself. Hydrogen is such a small molecule that it can do that through solid steel. Yes, those gas tanks are constantly leaking his hard-won Hydrogen straight back into the atmosphere.
There's a future in solar, yes. "Individual" scale PV setups like this one, as enormous as it is, are not it. They're certainly handy for remote areas like the one he's in, but that's not an example that would work for anything remotely like what >95% of the population would need.
As far as solar goes, reflector farms with molten salt storage are looking the most promising at the moment.
Hydrogen could be a useful stop-gap in transition from fossil fuels to a fully renewable energy system, and with some further research it might be viable beyond that, but as it stands there are huge problems with it that limit its usefulness long-term.
What I'd really like to see is advancement in some of what's going on at the moment mimicking photosynthesis. There's some theoretical designs around (don't know if any have made it to production) that use rare earth oxide catalysts in sunlight to combine CO2 and water to produce short-chain hydrocarbons. The sunlight heats the catalyst and imparts enough energy to knock the oxygen atoms off. As the oxide is allowed to cool again, it strips oxygen back from surrounding molecules, so H2O and CO2 give up their oxygen and the remaining H and C form up into hydrocarbons. Further processing of those can produce longer chains like isobutanol, which can be used as a direct replacement for gasoline. It has a far higher energy density than hydrogen, it's far easier to store and transport, and it's way more compatible with our existing technology (they've flown A-10s on fuel created from it).
It's also carbon-neutral, just like Hydrogen.
Makes you wonder why some little guys aren't building these things. I know lots of businesses that could use even cheaper electricity. Too bad it (for some reason) can't be done. Just can't be done, even though the energy produced is almost free! Heck you'd think a bigger industry like ... a smelter would get into this. Gosh darn shucks.
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black label
Veteran XX
u fuckin loser
He said it, people fight over "resources." He is using a lot of space on his property to do all that stuff. How many homes could he run power for? His own mini power plant.
It's kinda like the food industry. The stuff we're eating is horribly wrong, yet the government doesn't do anything because they're bought off by the meat and dairy industries.
It's kinda like the food industry. The stuff we're eating is horribly wrong, yet the government doesn't do anything because they're bought off by the meat and dairy industries.
no, it's not kinda like the food industry. I realise that's your current 'thing' and all, but no. It's not.
People fight for resources? What exactly do you think "all that space on his property" might also be referred to as? Yes, people fight for oil. Know what people fight for even more? Land.
People fight for resources? What exactly do you think "all that space on his property" might also be referred to as? Yes, people fight for oil. Know what people fight for even more? Land.
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algae for fuel, fusion for fuel, ocean wave power for fuel, sunlight for fuel, wind for fuel
change fuel to energy cuz im lazy
we have the capabilities and tech for all but fusion energy
and with more and more funding every year from the navy, it looks like polywell aint doing so bad
iter is probably going to suck though, in terms of cost benefit analysis
and laser ignition
change fuel to energy cuz im lazy
we have the capabilities and tech for all but fusion energy
and with more and more funding every year from the navy, it looks like polywell aint doing so bad
iter is probably going to suck though, in terms of cost benefit analysis
and laser ignition