ScottTheWise13
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America: The no-vacation nation.
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And here's one of the fundamental things that's wrong. Make yourself indispensible, and you will be. And then you can't go for a shit without your operation collapsing. Enjoy your coronary aged 50.
Or you can spend time developing your team so that when you fuck off for a month, things still run like a swiss watch. And not be nervous about it. Bacause if that can't happen, you getting promoted can't happen either.
ScottTheWise13
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I mean, this is just factually incorrect. I don't know how you can make this assertion. Look at gdp per capita, income per capita, etc... The United States is higher than essentially all european countries (excluding oil exporting Norway and 500k person Luxembourg)
For example: List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
US: 47k
Canada: 39k
Germany: 36k
UK: 34k
France: 34k
So, like I said, there is definitely a tradeoff. I wish the people in the US had an easier time of trading some of their salary for more vacation time. And I wish that people in europe had an easier time of trading some of their vacation for extra salary (unless you can always just cash out all of your unused vacation time, then tahts pretty good)
I make this assertion by having lived in both countries for a significant length of time
I can tell you 100% that Europeans live better than Americans
anyone who has been to Europe knows this
you can hide behind numbers all you want but if you want to talk about standards of living, simple monetary facts and numbers are like 2% of the story
look at Mitch, guy probably makes a fuckton of money but his life sucks because he lives in a desert and has to pay $15 for a Heineken
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europeans live 5 years longer too
I can tell you 100% that Europeans live better than Americans
anyone who has been to Europe knows this
you can hide behind numbers all you want but if you want to talk about standards of living, simple monetary facts and numbers are like 2% of the story
look at Mitch, guy probably makes a fuckton of money but his life sucks because he lives in a desert and has to pay $15 for a Heineken
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europeans live 5 years longer too
But 'Merica is in shambles and we can only afford one pair of hands for each job! Look! We didn't make as much money as we did the year in which we made the most money! Clearly we're doing something wrong and need to trim the fat to bring us back to that number!
(please note my sarcasm)
And then look at the incidence of stress related disease (stroke, cardiac problems, high BP) among the work age population against the same countries and ask yourself how that correlates to you having one of the most fucked up dysfunctional healthcare systems in the so-called "civilised world".
yeah you're right actually. the reason i can't take time off is because i'm surrounded by imbeciles.
i'm working on that though... by the end of this year i plan to have 90% of my staff replaced.
ScottTheWise13
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I'm not saying anything about quality of life. I'm just saying that it is a fact that europeans earn much less than americans. Glad you admit you're wrong about that.
More like 2 years. Why do you have to make untrue statement after untrue statement. Its pretty annoying.
And white americans have about hte same life expect. as europeans. Its not as if I move to europe, my life expectancy would increase.
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at no point did I really try to argue against Americans earning more
all I said is that your claim that there's some sort of "tradeoff" is dead wrong. There's no tradeoff. Your system sucks dick. A bit of extra money doesn't matter much when you consider how much higher the standard of living is in these countries. They're happier, their job happiness and security is better, they get more vacation days, and hell, most of them get healthcare.
4 weeks and 2 days plus 8 holidays here. I get my 5th week in 6 more years. I have a team that can fill in while I am gone. In fact we have a regional plan to cover filling in while people are on vacation. If you want better benefits get a better job, or better yet how about create your own business and become your own boss instead of bitching about the lack of time off.
ScottTheWise13
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You're retarded. I said "there is a tradeoff between more income and more vacation. You said "there is no tradeoff". Now you agree there is a tradeoff between income and vacation, but that quality of life is still better, despite lower incomes. If you are still arguing that europeans have the same/higher incomes as Americans, you're just wrong.
I am making no claim about quality of life. that is much much harder to determine and debate. But the fact remains that income is higher in teh United States.
I am making no claim about quality of life. that is much much harder to determine and debate. But the fact remains that income is higher in teh United States.
There is no tradeoff. Everything you're saying has absolutely nothing to back it up. They "earn" less because their system is socialist and a larger portion of the money in the economy goes towards social programs like healthcare.
It has nothing to do with vacation days.
I could never take 6 weeks off, but we can take extended vacations in my department. I just took off about two weeks for my honeymoon. Among my co-workers, we all have no problem covering for each other so we can get time off. Sometimes, that means you will have to learn a lot of stuff that you had previously not dealt with, but that's just how it goes and the company moves on. No one is 100% irreplaceable unless the company is poorly run. I have taken over managing a year-long project for a new client four weeks before the final deadline, and my CTO has filled in for me when I took a vacation in the middle of busy season (accidental, it was scheduled months in advance). I am the authority on certain things within the company, however, if I died tomorrow its not like they'd have to declare bankruptcy. They'd lose time having someone else train their way into my place and keep going.
ScottTheWise13
Veteran XV
Well if you want to compare post-tax income (where the taxes are going to fund social programs), the disparity between european post-tax income and american post-tax income is even greater.
i have the potential to have 250 hours of PTO but have about half that right now. sick days come out of that though. I also have to work half the holidays in a given year.
the thing about working in the medical field is that once you leave work you don't have shit to worry about. your job is done. when you take vacation it's never a problem finding someone to cover for you, especially long periods of time. Some bitch just took 5 weeks off to travel in SE Asia and she came back with another 3 weeks left of PTO.
the thing about working in the medical field is that once you leave work you don't have shit to worry about. your job is done. when you take vacation it's never a problem finding someone to cover for you, especially long periods of time. Some bitch just took 5 weeks off to travel in SE Asia and she came back with another 3 weeks left of PTO.
ScottTheWise13
Veteran XV
Whatever, obi. I'm not trying to argue opinions about quality of life, just facts about income. You can get your panties in a bunch about whatever you want.
I certaintly understand that people value different things. And some people who have lived in both places would much prefer the european system, and some people who have lived in both places would much prefer the american system. I'm not saying either of those people are wrong in any way.
I certaintly understand that people value different things. And some people who have lived in both places would much prefer the european system, and some people who have lived in both places would much prefer the american system. I'm not saying either of those people are wrong in any way.