Libya is falling/fallen.

[absent]

Qaddafi Warns France: If I Go Down, You Will Be Flooded With "Millions Of Blacks"

 

[DocHolliday]

Even for Saudi oil i would say don't get involved. As oil goes up in price, there will be a need for alternative energy sources. Let America do what it does best, build cool technology.

Development and investment into these technologies would be hard to come by if the world entered another depression. Saudi Arabia is the linchpin.

 

[JoMo]

Al Jazeera has been reporting that Gaddafi has been wanting to hold a "People's Congress" to discuss safe passage for his family and immunity from prosecution if he were to step down. The rebels have rejected his offer.

 

[Stealth]

What a bunch of idiots. This is exactly why there will always be unrest in the arab world.


Also, the Saudi one shouldn't be a big deal. It's only their Shia population that is protesting (10% of population). I'm sure the royal family will crush them immediately.

 

[JoMo]

BBC is reporting this:

2344: Reuters says that there is still no official confirmation on the offer Col Gaddafir is reported to have made to the rebels. But a source said to be close to the rebel council told the agency that "one formula being proposed by the other side would see Gaddafi hand power to the head of parliament and leave the country with a certain guaranteed sum of money".

2346: But a spokesman for the council told Reuters: "No such offer has been been put to the council as far as I am aware."

 

[Senty]

Yeah the gov't is all, 'Hey guys how about Gaddafi leaves?" but the rebels are all like: 'Sure np, right after his trial.'

Hmm, that would make a fun little 3 frame jpg

 

[JoMo]

BOOM goes the oil.

An engineer who works at Sidrah oil terminal - which was bombed earlier on Wednesday - says the air strikes damaged storage tanks and other facilities such as power and water plants, Reuters cited Al Jazeera TV as reporting. Mohamed al-Hashemi, a maintenance engineer at the terminal near Ras Lanuf, told Al Jazeera he saw government warplanes attacking the terminal and said four storage tanks had exploded in the oil complex, each storing about 150,000 gallons. Pro- and anti-Gaddafi forces have blamed each other for the incident.


Also still bombarding the Z city:

A witness from Zawiya said there was a fresh, heavy bombardment on the west Libyan town on Wednesday evening, Al Arabiya television reported. The channel did not give further details, according to Reuters.

 

[Skibbi9]

BOOM goes the oil.

An engineer who works at Sidrah oil terminal - which was bombed earlier on Wednesday - says the air strikes damaged storage tanks and other facilities such as power and water plants, Reuters cited Al Jazeera TV as reporting. Mohamed al-Hashemi, a maintenance engineer at the terminal near Ras Lanuf, told Al Jazeera he saw government warplanes attacking the terminal and said four storage tanks had exploded in the oil complex, each storing about 150,000 gallons. Pro- and anti-Gaddafi forces have blamed each other for the incident.


Also still bombarding the Z city:

A witness from Zawiya said there was a fresh, heavy bombardment on the west Libyan town on Wednesday evening, Al Arabiya television reported. The channel did not give further details, according to Reuters.

~14000 barrels = 600,000 gallons

 

[Goshin]

ono

2% of our oil supply is being held up

 

[JoMo]

ono

2% of our oil supply is being held up

It is around 25% of Italy's oil supply.

 

[max]

It is around 25% of Italy's oil supply.

Italy can't afford oil.

 

[Goshin]

Let italy worry about them then

fuck being world police

 

[absent]

You had a big fit last time Italy tried to get some oil from North Africa by force.

 

[Skibbi9]

Let italy worry about them then

fuck being world police

they will probably go without... oh wait, no they'll prly buy from one of the/our other markets driving up demand/price.

granted, its not that bad so far.

any news on friday's proposed Saudi protest?

 

[Kerosene31]

I told you we picked the wrong camouflage!

 

[JoMo]

Sounds like Gaddafi is pounding Ras Lanuf with artillery and the rebels are losing. I think the rebels are fucked either way.

 

[Senty]

OP-ED: Give Peaceful Resistance a Chance

Spoiler

Give Peaceful Resistance a Chance
By ERICA CHENOWETH
Middletown, Conn.

THE rebellion in Libya stands out among the recent unrest in the Middle East for its widespread violence: unlike the protesters in Tunisia or Egypt, those in Libya quickly gave up pursuing nonviolent change and became an armed rebellion.

And while the fighting in Libya is far from over, it’s not too early to ask a critical question: which is more effective as a force for change, violent or nonviolent resistance? Unfortunately for the Libyan rebels, research shows that nonviolent resistance is much more likely to produce results, while violent resistance runs a greater risk of backfiring.

Consider the Philippines. Although insurgencies attempted to overthrow Ferdinand Marcos during the 1970s and 1980s, they failed to attract broad support. When the regime did fall in 1986, it was at the hands of the People Power movement, a nonviolent pro-democracy campaign that boasted more than two million followers, including laborers, youth activists and Catholic clergy.

Indeed, a study I recently conducted with Maria J. Stephan, now a strategic planner at the State Department, compared the outcomes of hundreds of violent insurgencies with those of major nonviolent resistance campaigns from 1900 to 2006; we found that over 50 percent of the nonviolent movements succeeded, compared with about 25 percent of the violent insurgencies.

Why? For one thing, people don’t have to give up their jobs, leave their families or agree to kill anyone to participate in a nonviolent campaign. That means such movements tend to draw a wider range of participants, which gives them more access to members of the regime, including security forces and economic elites, who often sympathize with or are even relatives of protesters.

What’s more, oppressive regimes need the loyalty of their personnel to carry out their orders. Violent resistance tends to reinforce that loyalty, while civil resistance undermines it. When security forces refuse orders to, say, fire on peaceful protesters, regimes must accommodate the opposition or give up power — precisely what happened in Egypt.

This is why the Egyptian president, Hosni Mubarak, took such great pains to use armed thugs to try to provoke the Egyptian demonstrators into using violence, after which he could have rallied the military behind him.

But where Mr. Mubarak failed, Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi succeeded: what began as peaceful movement became, after a few days of brutal crackdown by his corps of foreign militiamen, an armed but disorganized rebel fighting force. A widely supported popular revolution has been reduced to a smaller group of armed rebels attempting to overthrow a brutal dictator. These rebels are at a major disadvantage, and are unlikely to succeed without direct foreign intervention.

If the other uprisings across the Middle East remain nonviolent, however, we should be optimistic about the prospects for democracy there. That’s because, with a few exceptions — most notably Iran — nonviolent revolutions tend to lead to democracy.

Although the change is not immediate, our data show that from 1900 to 2006, 35 percent to 40 percent of authoritarian regimes that faced major nonviolent uprisings had become democracies five years after the campaign ended, even if the campaigns failed to cause immediate regime change. For the nonviolent campaigns that succeeded, the figure increases to well over 50 percent.

The good guys don’t always win, but their chances increase greatly when they play their cards well. Nonviolent resistance is about finding and exploiting points of leverage in one’s own society. Every dictatorship has vulnerabilities, and every society can find them.

Erica Chenoweth, an assistant professor of government at Wesleyan University, is the co-author of the forthcoming “Why Civil Resistance Works: The Strategic Logic of Nonviolent Conflict.”

 

[Skibbi9]

wesleyan is a hippie school

 

[absent]

Newsvine - US pulling Tomahawk missiles out of Libya combat

This, plus the rebels asking for peace terms pretty much means that the ZOG takeover in Libya failed. Now let Gaddafi nationalize his oil and fuck the ZOG.

 

[Eggi]

absent you are not very bright buddy