Johnny Rico, at your cervix.
Have ya ever met a happy atheist?
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Thank you Patrick Swayze
And again, if there is any truth to the reality of your god, then I should be able to "put it in a test tube". Because that's how we determine, reliably, what is and isn't real. If you're going to define your god as being beyond the reach of scientific inquiry, then by definition you have no good reason to believe that it exists. Unless you know of another reliable way of confirming the existence of your god?
I'm going by your posts in this thread, nothing else. You claim to accept the possibility that you're wrong, and you claim to care whether you are wrong. Yet when pushed on how you confirmed that you're not wrong, you essentially come back with "I just know". That's not a good justification for any belief, and people who genuinely care don't do that.
I think I failed to impress on you just how irrelevant people's feelings are to what actually is true.
Some people are convinced that there are voices talking to them. Their conviction is so strong that if you tape them while having a conversation with the voices, then play back the tape, they will be genuinely surprised to only hear their own voice on the tape. For years, they went on believing a false proposition, and yet they were 100% convinced it was true.
So while Johnny might be convinced that this was divine intervention, he can very easily be wrong. He could have the same experience in a reality with no gods, or in a reality with a non-interventionist god, or in a reality where god just didn't care about Johnny personally. Johnny can't tell the difference, he doesn't know, and his conviction isn't proof of anything.
I have no idea what you mean by "spiritual reality". But your claim is that a god exists in the actual reality that we live in, and is intervening in people's actual real lives. And then you admit to having no good reason for holding this belief.
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Everyone here thinks you are an idiot, that's the truth, it's real, but you can't put that in a test tube.
Dilated to meet you
thats a lot of work to appear that stupid. bravo for sticking with it.
gotta respect the effort
God - a supreme being - is not necessarily the creator of man. The 2 can be separate. The creator(s) can be a higher lifeform than man but have nothing to do with the order of the universe. They might have a much better understanding of the laws of the universe than, say, we, but even they too can look up at stars or bow in subservience to a higher entity.
That is the Jewish God. Other Gods do not require man's worship. Some ancient religions that were all but removed by the Catholics, stated that God - the supreme being - is 'unknowable'. It is neither female or male and is in a state of existence that is far beyond what our feeble minds can imagine.
We should be able to discuss the idea of a supreme being without mentioning religion. We should also be able to discuss the topic of our creator(s) separately from a supreme being. Each person has it's own idea of what a supreme being is and religions, IMO, have done a great job at destroying the personal spiritual link between the person and their own individual connection to the supreme being.
Unfortunately, other Religions have suffered greatly due to Catholics forcing the Jewish God on everyone else. Heresy has, unfortunately, destroyed an untold number of human beings and with them, a bunch of other Gods with it, continuing the separation of man from the spirit world and being forced to worship this Jewish God.
We, as a species, IMO - were closer to the spiritual world when we believed in polytheism. There were a ton of Gods that we could look to for guidance in the troubles we faced in daily life. Hell - there was a God of war. Odin, too, was a very interesting God and regularly walked and interacted amongst the people. Too often when the topic of God or religion comes up, we discuss the Jewish God and really, what is good about it?
Take a look at the Tanakh - the Old Testament - it is literally a book of 'Gods laws'. Yes, there are some stories in it but it is mostly filled with stuff you cannot do or how you are to live your entire life. How on earth is that supposed to get the individual closer to the spiritual world? Is it surprising that more and more people are turning their backs on this God?
Some of it is understandable: don't eat pork - they had no idea they were supposed to cook it to a certain temperature, therefore, eating undercooked pork killed a lot of people; don't eat shellfish - they had no idea many people were deathly allergic to it which resulted in a lot of deaths so, God said not to eat X. But most of the laws in the books were meant for 1 thing - control over the people.
Look at the Jewish God - the God of Gods, the 'Most High'. Total fucking dickhole; a jealous, manipulative, a megalomaniac God and they want me to worship it, or else? I don't think so. Jews and ancient Catholics thought they knew God, that they knew the sex of their God, they knew what God wanted and they, the humans, used this 'knowledge' to control the people through these laws. IMO - nothing about the Jewish God or the religions surrounding it advance the individual in the spiritual world. It's all about control.
Personally, I believe in both a supreme entity and a creator separate from one another. If one were to ask me to explain this supreme entity, I could not. I could try but I would more than likely only confuse the person asking the question: It is unknowable; it is life - it is the laws that dictate the creation of life in the universe; it is the laws behind what makes us conscious of the world so we can make a good conscience decision to the choices we are presented with. It is our spiritual connection to our inner-self through the thought of trying to understand the 'unknowable' and trying to be the best that we can in all things and decisions we face and the choices we make.
Now, the creator? Aliens. I do believe we were evolving just fine on this small blue rock until one day we were visited by a higher being that couldn't help but fuck with us. Friggen scientists are always fucking with shit. We too will do this once we can travel the stars - it is inevitable.
Also here is the rest of the passage from Romans 14
You know when people start following the teachings of the Bible, I will take it serious. As it stands now, no one does what the bible says. They do the easy stuff and call it good.
I am not putting what other people do as the end factor in making a decision.. but it factors in. When people try to cram God down others throat and completely ignore what the bible says.. it loses credibility.
I mean you can make that argument for the 10 commandments from god. Thou shalt not kill.. now go kill those people.
1 of 2 things is happening, God's word is being taken out of context and used to control man.. God is a myth and is being used to control man.
Explain that shit^
Ain't no one going to heaven based on that
Especially when
Clearly states that sin is only what offends others.. or sin is personal thing.. as in Drinking for an alcoholic is a sin, for someone that has no problem.. it isn't a sin.
Does anyone follow those rules of classifying sin?
Nope
You know when people start following the teachings of the Bible, I will take it serious. As it stands now, no one does what the bible says. They do the easy stuff and call it good.
I am not putting what other people do as the end factor in making a decision.. but it factors in. When people try to cram God down others throat and completely ignore what the bible says.. it loses credibility.
I mean you can make that argument for the 10 commandments from god. Thou shalt not kill.. now go kill those people.
1 of 2 things is happening, God's word is being taken out of context and used to control man.. God is a myth and is being used to control man.
Explain that shit^
Ain't no one going to heaven based on that
Especially when
Clearly states that sin is only what offends others.. or sin is personal thing.. as in Drinking for an alcoholic is a sin, for someone that has no problem.. it isn't a sin.
Does anyone follow those rules of classifying sin?
Nope
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Or I should stop practicing fake faith and actin righteous while doing it.
That is if you believe in God.. these are the rules and according to the bible, Christ dying on the cross isn't a get out of jail free card. You have to follow those rules or be excluded from the book of life.
6/15 soooo fucked
That is if you believe in God.. these are the rules and according to the bible, Christ dying on the cross isn't a get out of jail free card. You have to follow those rules or be excluded from the book of life.
6/15 soooo fucked