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botters getting banned?
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TonyElTigre
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my best bet would be that its because of the mouse movements, imo all blizzard would have to do is make itself aware of the way the mouse paged for mobs to loot and detected the pattern with warden or some other magical blizzard app.
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They could just locate the exe's and system files as they scan the contents of your hard drive. Its no secret that warden digs beyond WoW files
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Rouailtagh
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Well this will be interesting to say the least. Some people hear have already said gold prices are going up even now and I wonder how long it will take to hit the AHs. Some people will rejoice if prices rise, all those people who farm for gold on things like herbs, leather, etc. would suddenly find their goods worth more because the supply provided by bots are steadily dwindling due to the bans. Just have to see though, then again I'm sure in the future someone will manage to make another "undetectable" bot and the cycle would start anew.
Seems these people don't know when to give up: http://forums.wowglider.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=43943&whichpage=1
They're taking Blizzard to court.
They're taking Blizzard to court.
If you weren't a retard and spent the time to read the complaint, Blizzard came to the guy's HOUSE and threatened him with legal action.
I stopped playing about 2 weeks ago and they banned my main account. I have't checked my botting account, but I don't have an email regarding it being banned. I couldn't take the game anymore. The grind is so lame in WoW. It makes me miss the days of DAoC. When you got more exp for grouping. If it was that way in WoW I wouldn't have used glider.
daishinzo's main account got banned for "unauthorized access to other accounts" but neither his other account nor any accounts he logged into (including mine) got banned.
Whoa manhands Raavieolie registered.
Aren't any new posts there to troll.
I'd be pretty pissed to if Blizzard threatened me with legal action for bottingIf they came to his house then 
That reminds me of Jay and Silent Bob.
That reminds me of Jay and Silent Bob.
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Rouailtagh
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Well that little case should turn out in a colorful fashion. Blizzard was stupid to show up at the guy's house with a lawyer and threaten legal action to get him to stop selling WoWGlider to people. That little move won't go over so well in court, they better have their ToS up to snuff and airtight or they'll probably have some trouble with this guy.
Here's an interesting question, they're trying to take him to court to stop selling WoWglider, but would it be the same if he simply started giving it out for free?
Here's an interesting question, they're trying to take him to court to stop selling WoWglider, but would it be the same if he simply started giving it out for free?
They could show up to his house and sue him for breathing if they wanted to. It would fail miserably, but there's nothing to say they can't do it.
I'm honestly in awe at how confused people are on this issue...
1. Blizzard/VUg are 100% in their rights to make any and all of the legal threats they made. Even the name of his product "wowglider" can be argued to violate their property rights (i.e. he was using the name WoW without their permission, selling a product designed for WoW customers). In that sense, it's like selling concert T-shirts at a concert and then crying when you are told that's not legal. GG
2. Even if it's found that glider itself did nothing illegal and may exist per se, this doesnt mean he "won" whatsoever. I personally suspect there's some nuance that will be found illegal in his having a commercial application of this form, but even if it's deemed "legal" to exist... that doesn't mean it's legal to sell. OK? He may win rights to "own" glider but that's separate from the right to sell it. Again, making band T-shirts for yourself is arguably kosher. Making band T-shirts and selling at a concert in mass... is not kosher.
3. No matter what the legal outcome is pertaining his rights over Glider software, there is no legitimate chance to claim people have a right to use Glider with WoW. Nothing will make using bots legal. Nothing will make Blizzard's banning people illegal. Anybody arguing the opposite is completely delusional. Blizzard will win any and all court cases that challenge their ability to ban folks "hacking" the game or otherwise cheating. The only situations where some individuals may be able to garner their accounts back are those where Blizzard has no 100% proof that the accounts were cheating. The only issue is the burden of proof pertaining the semi-contractual agreement of Subscription - i.e. you could argue that the sale or subscription was breeched in bad faith by Blizzard without due cause.
I suspect the legal issues would be very different in terms of the legal cases that apply. Commercial products would likely have a lot more case law and regulation. However, i severely doubt it has any real impact on this situation.
He's made a commercial program designed only and specifically to engage in illegal/improper activities. He may be able to retain "rights" over the code, but that's about it. An artist might claim some rights over his "artwork," but if you put it on a fuckin T-shirt and sell it at concerts then you're crossed the line.
He might as well be arguing that he's selling a specialized form of marijuana... and trying to make a case over his copyrights. It's besides the fuckin point, whether or not he has copyrights over this type of illegal commercial product.
If he didnt sell it and didnt give it away, then the analogy with drugs fails... because he didnt put it to use in an improper way. However, he was selling it and many, many people put it to use... under the title "wowglider" which itself is arguably a violation of Blizzard's rights.
This is a retarded legal mess.
This guy oughta have just put his little programmer ego aside, taken his money and moved on with his life. I assume he's made a pretty penny with $25 per key.
Blizzard didnt sue up front. They didnt seek to fuck him over and destroy him. They demanded this stop and demanded the code. This idiot could have just put his fuckin ego aside. It's not like he didnt ever imagine that day coming. He probably made a small fortune from glider and could have just laughed, handed it over and moved on. The only retardation here is this guy's arrogance and delusion. I mean, seriously, what the fuck is this guy thinking he's going to accomplish?
He's just on some fuckin hero trip... and being a fuckin idiot.
1. Blizzard/VUg are 100% in their rights to make any and all of the legal threats they made. Even the name of his product "wowglider" can be argued to violate their property rights (i.e. he was using the name WoW without their permission, selling a product designed for WoW customers). In that sense, it's like selling concert T-shirts at a concert and then crying when you are told that's not legal. GG
2. Even if it's found that glider itself did nothing illegal and may exist per se, this doesnt mean he "won" whatsoever. I personally suspect there's some nuance that will be found illegal in his having a commercial application of this form, but even if it's deemed "legal" to exist... that doesn't mean it's legal to sell. OK? He may win rights to "own" glider but that's separate from the right to sell it. Again, making band T-shirts for yourself is arguably kosher. Making band T-shirts and selling at a concert in mass... is not kosher.
3. No matter what the legal outcome is pertaining his rights over Glider software, there is no legitimate chance to claim people have a right to use Glider with WoW. Nothing will make using bots legal. Nothing will make Blizzard's banning people illegal. Anybody arguing the opposite is completely delusional. Blizzard will win any and all court cases that challenge their ability to ban folks "hacking" the game or otherwise cheating. The only situations where some individuals may be able to garner their accounts back are those where Blizzard has no 100% proof that the accounts were cheating. The only issue is the burden of proof pertaining the semi-contractual agreement of Subscription - i.e. you could argue that the sale or subscription was breeched in bad faith by Blizzard without due cause.
I suspect the legal issues would be very different in terms of the legal cases that apply. Commercial products would likely have a lot more case law and regulation. However, i severely doubt it has any real impact on this situation.
He's made a commercial program designed only and specifically to engage in illegal/improper activities. He may be able to retain "rights" over the code, but that's about it. An artist might claim some rights over his "artwork," but if you put it on a fuckin T-shirt and sell it at concerts then you're crossed the line.
He might as well be arguing that he's selling a specialized form of marijuana... and trying to make a case over his copyrights. It's besides the fuckin point, whether or not he has copyrights over this type of illegal commercial product.
If he didnt sell it and didnt give it away, then the analogy with drugs fails... because he didnt put it to use in an improper way. However, he was selling it and many, many people put it to use... under the title "wowglider" which itself is arguably a violation of Blizzard's rights.
This is a retarded legal mess.
This guy oughta have just put his little programmer ego aside, taken his money and moved on with his life. I assume he's made a pretty penny with $25 per key.
Blizzard didnt sue up front. They didnt seek to fuck him over and destroy him. They demanded this stop and demanded the code. This idiot could have just put his fuckin ego aside. It's not like he didnt ever imagine that day coming. He probably made a small fortune from glider and could have just laughed, handed it over and moved on. The only retardation here is this guy's arrogance and delusion. I mean, seriously, what the fuck is this guy thinking he's going to accomplish?
He's just on some fuckin hero trip... and being a fuckin idiot.
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HaPpY should've sold copies of HappyMod and HM2 at $25 a pop. If that had happened and Vivendi/Dynamix knocked on his door with court documents would you faggots be singing the same tune? It's in essence the same thing, stomping all over the intended use of the game(s) in an effort to get a leg up on the competition (more gold/items/levels in wow vs purchased/downloaded skill and awareness in tribes).