[Arizona] Immigration

The point is that the Government has an obligation to provide services for people who do not speak English in lieu of an official language.
Click to expand...

Yes. And in turn, they have an obligation to learn the de facto language and assimilate into our culture. We're a melting pot, not a salad.
 
ptavv said:
The point is that the Government has an obligation to provide services for people who do not speak English in lieu of an official language.

We have a "de facto" official language, which does not absolve the government of service provision to people who do not speak it.

There's a big difference between de facto and official.
Click to expand...

The government has an obligation to keep their services from being abused by anyone foreign and domestic and spend our money responsibly, do you agree?

Wowbagger said:
So what are you doing in this thread?

Did you forget it's about Arizona? :lol:
Click to expand...

There are more cities in Arizona than Phoenix, you get that? right?

You really aren't very smart are you?
 
Why did you say you have a better grasp of immigration in AZ than Swensonator?

He lives there, you don't, and it's "completely different", remember?

It's hilarious how much you keep contradicting yourself and don't even realize it.
 
Wowbagger said:
Why did you say you have a better grasp of immigration in AZ than Swensonator?

He lives there, you don't, and it's "completely different", remember?
Click to expand...

Im saying border towns bear the burden of illegal immigration far more than other towns

Go to Tuscon, Corpus Christi, San Diego and these places are replicas of Mexican border towns. We aren't elevating anybody to this higher level of living, we are allowing Mexico to creep farther and farther across our borders.

You keep looking for ways to nitpick, semantics is your only argument, its laughable and reeks of ignorance and foolishness.

Wowbagger said:
THERE ARE NO PROBLEMS IF YOU MAKE A TYPO OR IF I CAN QUOTE EXCERPTS THAT ARE CONTRADICTORY SO I WIN THE THREAD. HAR HAR I WINZ
Click to expand...
 
Last edited:
triple said:
Yes. And in turn, they have an obligation to learn the de facto language and assimilate into our culture. We're a melting pot, not a salad.
Click to expand...

What obligates them to do that? Nothing more than their own economic best interests. Contrariwise, the government has a legal obligation to provide services in other languages.

Very different "obligations"
 
TonyElTigre said:
Im saying border towns bear the burden of illegal immigration far more than other towns

Go to Tuscon, Corpus Christi, San Diego and these places are replicas of Mexican border towns. We aren't elevating anybody to this higher level of living, we are allowing Mexico to creep farther and farther across our borders.

You keep looking for ways to nitpick, semantics is your only argument, its laughable and reeks of ignorance and foolishness.
Click to expand...


ey "Vato"....no te olvides de San Antonio,Tejas

you-all are ignorant!

Anyone recall the contents of the
"Guadalupe and Hidalgo Treaty"?


the U.S. gov. reneged on it!
would have saved a lot of trouble.
 
The American Spectator : Fixing America's Immigration Black Market

Fixing America's Immigration Black Market
By Ryan Young & Alex Nowrasteh on 4.27.10 @ 6:06AM

From Arizona to the U.S. Senate, immigration is at the forefront of the national debate. Much of the concern revolves around this fact: There is an enormous immigration black market in the United States. Millions of undocumented immigrants and temporary workers enter and leave every year. Legality is considered strictly optional. This problem will not go away until fundamental reforms become law.

Recently, the Department of Labor (DOL) has tried to solve the problem with rules, regulations, and enforcement. They raised the hourly minimum wage to $12.24 for foreign farm workers. Background checks are now mandatory for all immigrant farm workers, at the employer's expense. Employers are also on the hook for the full cost of paperwork and applications. All existing contracts have to be redrafted and refilled according to these new rules. The total cost runs to thousands of dollars per employee.

In short, DOL has put in place the perfect program for increasing the size of the black market. When compliance costs too much money, time, and hassle, few people will bother. That's how the world works.

Based on the most recent data from 2008, 100,000 to 125,000 agricultural workers are residing in the U.S. illegally. 173,103 H-2A visas were issued in that same year. DOL's new regulations won't change the number of immigrants. The change will be that fewer of them will bother with legality, and more will enter dangerous black markets.

Think about it. If H-2As were liberalized instead of covered in red tape, at least 100,000 illegal immigrants could be brought out of the black market. And that's just for that one type of visa.

For the much coveted H-1B visa, which covers highly skilled foreign workers in specialty occupations, the U.S. Customs and Immigration Service (USCIS) will schedule 25,000 surprise workplace inspections this year. That's a five-fold increase from last year!

Workplace inspections are probably the most destructive reform. When government agents inspect foreign workers, work can grind to a total halt for days. Government agents take their time to check the paperwork and compare it with what's on file in Washington. Workers are interviewed, and their complaints are registered.

When this is done on the farm, crops don't get picked, farm equipment stays dirty, and the farmer loses money. That is bad enough. But when H-1B inspections occur, entire software, engineering, or other highly productive businesses are interrupted for no good reason. Considering how dependent the high-tech sector is on skilled immigrants, this is a major problem for Silicon Valley firms like Google, which was co-founded by an immigrant.

No wonder there is such high demand for black-market immigrant workers. They are thousands of dollars more attractive compared to legal visa holders.

The problem doesn't just affect H-2A and H-1B visas. New rules are hitting the books every month increasing compliance burdens every class of immigrant and work visa. The government couldn't make the black market more appealing if it tried.

Clearly DOL is taking the wrong approach. What's the right approach to dismantling the black market? Liberalization. The immigration black market only exists is because the government has made the legal market as cumbersome as it can.

True immigration reform makes legal channels more appealing, not less. That means lightening the paperwork and the regulatory burden, and eliminating quotas. The more unattractive legality becomes, the more attractive illegality looks in comparison.

Black markets are anathema to a free society. Murder, theft, smuggling, and even slavery are part and parcel of immigrant black markets. They are also easily avoidable - just shrink the black market by making legal immigration easier.

From Plymouth Rock to the present day, people have risked everything they have to come to America in search of a better life. The government does everyone a disservice when it gets in the way of that noble quest.
Click to expand...
 
Basic questions:

#1 are you willing to reward those who break immigration law while you simultaneously sh*t on those who follow it?

#2 what are you willing to do with the million-ish illegals who are already in this country thanks to lax federal enforcement?

#3 What if 250,000 blond-haired, blue-eyed Swedes @ssraped Swensonator?
 
FngrBANG said:
Basic questions:

#1 are you willing to reward those who break immigration law while you simultaneously sh*t on those who follow it?
Click to expand...

Basic question:

#0 Are you willing to compromise our constitutional rights to solve the illegal immigrant problem?


...This isn't about whether or not there is an illegal immigrant problem. The issue is the law goes too far. So to answer #1, no I won't willing reward them. But no we shouldn't pass extremist laws. Fair and balanced indeed.
 
confidential said:
isn't tonyeltigre latino

why does he hate his own people
Click to expand...

Who hates Mexicans? I love them

Are you really so stupid that you think only racists would be opposed to an open border and illegal immigration?

Nevearion said:
Basic question:

#0 Are you willing to compromise our constitutional rights to solve the illegal immigrant problem?


...This isn't about whether or not there is an illegal immigrant problem. The issue is the law goes too far. So to answer #1, no I won't willing reward them. But no we shouldn't pass extremist laws. Fair and balanced indeed.
Click to expand...


Are you willing to abandon your constitutional rights to allow illegal immigration to continue unchecked?

Do you know what the law entails? It sounds like you have no idea. It simply allows someone already pulled over for a violation to have their immigration status evaluated if they don't have proper identification.

The supreme court already allows far more drastic constitutional violations in the name of public good by traffic cops (DUI Checkpoints, Insurance checkpoints, paperwork checkpoints at the courthouse)
 
Last edited:
No Fngr. It requires the police to check the status of anyone suspicious they have legal contact with (this includes interviewing witnesses, talking to people while on patrol, even someone merely asking the officer for directions).

It also makes it legal for officers who see you and think you to be here illegally to demand your papers.

That is very different than your characterization of the law
 
i thank god every day that illegals are here to take our jobs.

i've never picked fruit or lettuce or potatoes, but i've been a dishwasher, landscaper and roofer and the mexicans can fucking take it
that shit sucks
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top