Alright, let me set teh record straight for all you pussyfgts
VR in prime > 187 in prime. I was in both clans, and it be true.
Simply put = bojangles > FF and Coolarchon
However, it shouldn't be said that 187 only became good after the golden days of HaVoC. Over 40 teams were on the ladders when 187 finally beat INH in third overtime to take the number one spot. It took 187 FOUR CONSECUTIVE tries to defeat INH. In our first match, we had FOUR OVERTIMES.
Clearly, VR and INH had some great matches, but so did INH and 187.
All of what happened above, happened before T2 came out. I only know this because I quit 187 for VR when T2 came out :-D