Have ya ever met a happy atheist?

[Amadeus]

Because, for the five thousandth time, it's not science, and you can't apply science to intangible things.

Talking to people like you is like talking to an NPC.

Once again you ignore the parallel with green. Alright then, allow me to change tack.


Let's start with a simple thought excersice. Can you imagine a reality where only the physical universe exists, and in which some people, through entirely physical brain processes, become convinced that more than just the physical universe exists?

 

[havax]

Can you imagine a reality where only the physical universe exists, and in which some people, through entirely physical brain processes, become convinced that more than just the physical universe exists?

wouldn't that be scientists that believe in parallel universes?

or scientists that believe in ufos or other living beings that may or may not exist from other worlds?

 

[SuicideTaxi]

The example of green is equivalent to a person's experience turning to and experiencing a higher power.

Might not be a direct equivalent, but it's still equivalent.


The person with the ability to see green can do so, you cannot.

The person that's opened their hearts/minds/senses to a higher power can feel it, draw strength from it, and be influenced by it, you cannot.


In most scenarios, the person with the ability to see green can pick it out of a sea of other colors, you cannot.

In most scenarios, the person capable of sensing a higher power can attest that it was an inspiration, a consolation, an enlightening factor, a warning, and/or a beacon of some type. You cannot.


So while you can put the color green on cards - put it in a test tube so to speak - and prove that something is there that you cannot see, (it doesn't prove green, it just proves that someone else sees something that you don't), you cannot do the same thing with a person's personal experience. You can't make spiritual "experiments" and expect identical outcomes, or even similar ones. Really, you can't expect anything at all.

It all comes down to a person's testimony about a higher power, and in the end it revolves around your trust that they're telling you the truth about it.

If you're incapable of sensing a higher power, then you would need to have trust that the other person is saying something that's real to them, however intangible that "something" is.

And if you refuse to take another person's anecdote as "proof", then what's the point of talking any further?

 

[Ztir]

 

[SuicideTaxi]

Anecdotal evidence for something that should be proved scientifically is stupid.

Expecting scientific evidence for a spiritual issue is equally stupid.

On a side note... having to actually explain the difference between those two things probably means I'm talking to someone stupid.

 

[Amadeus]

So while you can put the color green on cards - put it in a test tube so to speak - and prove that something is there that you cannot see, (it doesn't prove green, it just proves that someone else sees something that you don't), you cannot do the same thing with a person's personal experience. You can't make spiritual "experiments" and expect identical outcomes, or even similar ones. Really, you can't expect anything at all.

But green is just your personal experience too. The purpose of my experiment is not to reveal green to me, but to reveal the situation where you claim that you can experience green, but you actually can't. And I can do that without experience green myself at all, and just following your claims of experiencing green.

So what is the equivalent experiment that could reveal that a person who claims they can experience god actually can't? Again, if the two really are equivalent, then I should be able to conduct such an experiment without being able to experience god myself, and by just following the person's claims of experiencing god.

 

[Edofnor]

i just farted

it smells like old fish

fyi

 

[SuicideTaxi]

You're too limited to have this conversation because you don't appear to have even a basic fundamental understanding of what spirituality is.

It's like you keep going back to your NPC script at every possible turn. It's gotten old.

Everything you just said is borderline jibberish, completely missing the fundamental point that you simply cannot do what you're asking to do. (For the 5000000000th time.)

You're applying principles and rules where they are not applicable.

The green card "experiment" is simply a way to prove to someone that they can see a tangible thing and another (color blind) person cannot.

You can't create an experiment where someone can "prove" (or disprove) an intangible thing. Yet you keep clamoring for it. Over and over again.

Go get your script updated, then we can continue. Until then, we'll be stuck in a loop.

 

[Ztir]

Stop using logic and reason and any other common deductive tools

Some guy can't explain why he turned right instead of left you will never understand

 

[Amadeus]

You're too limited to have this conversation because you don't appear to have even a basic fundamental understanding of what spirituality is.

It's like you keep going back to your NPC script at every possible turn. It's gotten old.

Everything you just said is borderline jibberish, completely missing the fundamental point that you simply cannot do what you're asking to do. (For the 5000000000th time.)

You're applying principles and rules where they are not applicable.

The green card "experiment" is simply a way to prove to someone that they can see a tangible thing and another (color blind) person cannot.

You can't create an experiment where someone can "prove" (or disprove) an intangible thing. Yet you keep clamoring for it. Over and over again.

Go get your script updated, then we can continue. Until then, we'll be stuck in a loop.

Well, you did say they're equivalent. If you want to redact that, as you just have, that's fine.

Alright then, suppose a person is claiming that they're experiencing god. If experiments are off the table, is there any way to verify or falsify their claim?

 

[Pagy]

Because, for the five thousandth time, it's not science, and you can't apply science to supernatural make believe things.

again, had to fix that for your retarded ass

 

[Falhawk]

Better topics
Evolution
Young earth
The old testament
How Christianity is a recent (70 years) old idea to try to pull conflicting religions under an umbrella to bring more people to it
Tax shelters
Why people believe in what they believe based on where they live
The Vatican
Noah's ark

 

[Captain Tele]

Stop using logic and reason and any other common deductive tools

Some guy can't explain why he turned right instead of left you will never understand

logic and reason

says the people who say they don't like IQ tests and SAT SCORES when the results go against their predetermined goals and feelings

GTFO

this thread is about some degenerate brony, who admits he wants to fuck kids, young kids, children, trying to somehow shame someone else out of their faith by a bunch of people who profess that they are their own gods and the only thing that matters......will ever matter (+ their equally unfounded opinions)

GET WOKE GO BROKE

 

[Captain Tele]

Better topics
Evolution
Young earth
The old testament
How Christianity is a recent (70 years) old idea to try to pull conflicting religions under an umbrella to bring more people to it
Tax shelters
Why people believe in what they believe based on where they live
The Vatican
Noah's ark

why this got to be so political

 

[Captain Tele]

if (not atheist = true) {
reply = "Science";
} else {
action = "Tip fedora";
}

THERE IS NO TRUTH.......JUST THE FEAST

 

[pZ II Birdy]

 

[SuicideTaxi]

If scientifically proving intangible things was possible, there would never be a divorce.

Every movie would be a hit movie.

Every song would be a hit song.

Every book a bestseller.

Every design would be award-winning.


Some things are just intangible and are beyond test tubes. Get over it already.

 

[havax]

if that were true, hans gruber would still be alive at the nakatomi building for a Christmas wonderland

 

[LGBR]

bruce willis said die hard isn't a Christmas movie

fuck him

 

[Esteban_Villa]

I have found more often than not anecdotal evidence has set me up for failure, thus I don't use it based on my few experiences.