Canadians not as different from Americans as they think

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http://www.canada.com/national/story.html?id=02479c28-0097-402c-ada7-e35623a8121a
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TORONTO -- Ask any Canadian to define the typical Canuck and among the descriptions proffered is sure to be: "We're not like Americans."

After all, Americans are brash, arrogant and aggressive. We Canadians, on the other hand, are polite, modest and somewhat introverted.

We're as different from our neighbours to the south as, well, beavers are from bald eagles.

Aren't we?

Not according to a study of national personalities, which found that this time-honoured perception of our oh-so-unique Canadian psyche -- and other cultures' stereotypes of themselves -- are in fact just so much hooey.

"These stereotypes are as Canadians see themselves and Americans as they see themselves," said Robert McCrae of the U.S. National Institute on Aging, a principal investigator of the study on national personalities around the world.

"Canadians think they're extremely agreeable; the Americans think they're very disagreeable," he said. "Canadians believe that they're very calm and not irritable, very even-tempered, whereas Americans think they're more anxious and hostile.

"The fact is Canadians and Americans have almost identical average personality traits."

In a measure of five main areas of personality, covering a total of 30 traits, Canadians and their U.S. cousins fell roughly in the middle. Not only that, but they weren't all that different from other cultures around the globe, researchers found.

The study, published in the latest issue of Science, collected data through personality questionnaires given to thousands of people living in 49 countries.

Over and over, stereotypes about different nationalities emerged, but all were left wanting.

"These are very interesting sociological phenomena," McCrae said. "They get made into myths and they turn up in literature and in songs and in jokes and kind of have a life of their own."

Take the Brits, for example, whose national character is typically viewed as reserved and stalwart.

"The English showed the worst agreement in the entire set between the stereotype and the measured personality," said McCrae. "The stereotype of the English is that they're very reserved, whereas as in fact English are extroverts.

"And English think that they're relatively conventional and closed, but compared to most people in the world, they're pretty open to experience."

Germany was one example in which at least part of the stereotype matched reality, he said. "Germans think that they're conscientious and industrious and they measured out as conscientious and industrious."

Argentines believe they're a nation of disagreeable folk, and that reputation is pervasive throughout Latin America. But Argentines scored as average on the agreeableness scale.

McCrae noted that one Canadian researcher, upon seeing the results, said: " `Well, the Canadians are not going to like this story, because they really want to believe that they are much nicer than Americans.'

"I think that shows that at least one of the functions that stereotypes serve is to assert a national identity. We want to distinguish ourselves from Americans, so we'll invent some kind of difference and exaggerate it, and in this case it has to do with things like agreeableness," he said of the so-called Canadian identity.

Paul Trapnell, a professor of psychology at the University of Winnipeg, agreed that claiming particular national character traits can support certain motives: differentiating a population from other cultures and building its self-esteem.

"So we'll try to see ourselves as different from Americans and the differences we'll latch onto are the differences that also serve our desire to think good about ourselves," said Trapnell, one of three Canadian researchers who contributed data to the study.

What he found interesting was how homogenous the notion of the "typical Canuck" was across the country.

"The views that persons in Vancouver have about Canadians are very similar to the views that Nova Scotians have about Canadians," Trapnell said. "So we do possess a somewhat loosely organized but shared perception of what our national character is like, even though that shared perception doesn't turn out to be a real one."

What another country does on the world stage or on home soil may also contribute to national stereotypes, suggested psychologist Delroy Paulhus of the University of British Columbia, who also took part in the study.

"Canadians confuse typical Americans with their country's foreign policy, which seems belligerent," Paulhus said by e-mail. "Or Canadians extrapolate the higher rate of crime in the U.S. to infer typical character."

Whatever the reasons, typecasting an entire people can be dangerous, the authors say, leading to prejudice, discrimination and persecution.

"Clearly it tells us that we need to be very cautious about making generalizations about groups of people, any kind of groups of people," McCrae said. "Because often those generalizations are unfounded.

"Instead, what we have to do is remind ourselves that we're dealing with individuals, and regardless of what their nationality or their age or their gender, we should look at their personality as it is in themselves."
Does this mean we are compatible for a wonderful, loving relationship?
 
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Both times I've been in Canada the people have definitely been far more polite and friendly as a general rule. This was in western Canada in the Banff and Jasper areas. I dunno what it's like over in the frenchy region.
 
Canada has just as many assholes as everywhere else. They are just a little easier to identify since they usually announce their intentions by wearing a Leaf jersey.
 
MonkeyHero said:
Both times I've been in Canada the people have definitely been far more polite and friendly as a general rule. This was in western Canada in the Banff and Jasper areas. I dunno what it's like over in the frenchy region.

were these smaller towns? from what i've seen of both countries, if you're in a large city people aren't as nice as when you're in a small city or town
 
MonkeyHero said:
Both times I've been in Canada the people have definitely been far more polite and friendly as a general rule. This was in western Canada in the Banff and Jasper areas. I dunno what it's like over in the frenchy region.
Pretty polite and friendly where I am for the most part ( Northern NB, close to Quebec ), but its half french/half english here, so you get the typical politeness, with french cynicism.
 
Kerosene31 said:
Canada has just as many assholes as everywhere else. They are just a little easier to identify since they usually announce their intentions by wearing a Leaf jersey.


hehehehe
 
xpdnc said:
were these smaller towns? from what i've seen of both countries, if you're in a large city people aren't as nice as when you're in a small city or town
They were pretty good sized towns/small cities. About the same size as where I'm from, but everybody here is either a jackass, an idiot, or probably both. It was out west in the Rockies though. I've noticed that people in Colorado and Wyoming are generally nicer than people in the midwest anyways. Probably because they get to do all the cool outdoor stuff just by walking down the street.
 
Brasstax said:

Did you decide after reviewing his post that it wasn't as funny as originally thought? Is that why you downgraded to "hehe's" from "haha's" ? Tee hee!
 
The only difference between Canadians and Americans is that Canadians deny what kind of people they are whereas we are proud to be arrogant, brash and aggressive.
 
Icey said:
The only difference between Canadians and Americans is that Canadians deny what kind of people they are whereas we are proud to be arrogant, brash and aggressive.

Case in point.

Americans are not arrogant, brash and aggressive, they are peaceful, reasonable and kind.
 
Icey said:
The only difference between Canadians and Americans is that Canadians deny what kind of people they are whereas we are proud to be arrogant, brash and aggressive.


You are very clueless if you have ever been out of america you would know canadians are well liked. shit I hear story's of americans wearing canadian flags so they get the kind treatment we get.

On that most canadians wear flags to make it known that we are canadian.
 
Most of us are more brash and aggressive than Europeans or Asians man. I agree that we are also peaceful, reasonable and charitable too. By the arrogance I mean that we are proud people, but sometimes others see it as being arrogant.
 
Canadians are well liked overseas because no one knows anything about them except for the fact that they don't particularly like their neighbors to the south.

Do keep in mind that Americans were well liked for quite some time (1800s-1970s) until we made it clear that we are the world's superpower and made some decisions that Europeans didn't like.
 
Gun$linga said:
You are very clueless if you have ever been out of america you would know canadians are well liked. shit I hear story's of americans wearing canadian flags so they get the kind treatment we get.

On that most canadians wear flags to make it known that we are canadian.


when i was in asia for a month people there liked americans.
 
LGBR said:
I want to have sex with both Canadian and American girls.
LGBR said:
I'm tired of this.
Current mood: lonely

Stupid me. I decided to invite some people over to swim - not as big as Fridays venture, but enough to keep some excitement goin. For once we actually had an almost equal number of girls to guys. I talked to a few girls online that I like (you know who you are) and invited them. They seemed excited and couldn't wait. I was thrilled because I stupidly thought they'd be happy to ya know... see me.

Stupid me.

I feel like the biggest dipshit loser on the planet at the moment, and once again I am totally alone. And Hunter S. Thompson killed himself. Whats next? How is my day gonna get topped off? I'm thinking someones gonna pour sugar in my gas tank and anally rape my best friends or something equally fucked up.

How is it that every other guy can hook up with a girl at MY parties? Or other peoples parties? I'm just curious why God cursed me to be so hideous. I'm sick of being nice too. I've decided that being nice is getting me nowhere fast.

JR helped me, though. He tried to make me feel better because he's one of the people who I feel you can lay your problems on and he'll actually try to help instead of being like everyone else and saying "Man that shit sucks, oh well I'm off to fuck my girlfriend, have fun alone at your own god damned party."

So If you're reading this and you know me, let me know how you honestly feel about me. Am I the rich kid they keep around to feel better about themselves because I'm fat, hairy, and uglier than sin?

And I have a pool, that'll do it.

I'm so alone in this world :(
 
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