Serious question: Do you think this country can ever 'mend'?

I'm not saying anything, I'm quoting you. You claimed you accepted Trump's 2016 victory as legitimate the very next day. I'm skeptical of that claim, as you routinely posted about interference in the election, particularly of a Russian nature. Successful interference suggests an illegitimate outcome, and your posts suggest you believe there was successful interference. This appears to be a blatant contradiction to your initial claim.

If you'd like my opinion interference/influence, I would say that every nation on the planet attempts to influence or interfere with our elections, perhaps to some small degree of success. And I don't give a shit because there's no evidence that any outcome has been swung because of it.

I just find it silly that someone who regurgitates a literal talking point in "the big lie" spent years complaining about interference.

Said interference is one of the challenges this country has to overcome if we're to ever mend, especially if you think social media plays a role in dividing us.

Acknowledging foreign interference doesn't automatically infer that the 2016 election was illegitimate. One can acknowledge that while fraudulent votes exist their numbers are so small they didn't for example make the 2016 election illegitimate either.

Having said that neither foreign interference or fraudulent votes is something you want to see in a healthy democracy.
 
I think the only mending that needs to be done is between
the Globalist American Empire Washington D.C. and the rest of the country.
The mending will start with the words
'You're Fired'
 
everyone is either red or blue and being anythign else is pointless. This is the mentality that is destroying the country imo.

like you cant own a gun and also want healthcare reform and the ppl on both sides of the fence cant even tolerate a conflicting opinion without being triggered lol
 
If people keep voting for Democrats or Republicans, it will never heal. The two parties are domestic enemies controlled by foreign interests.

You do not think there's even a little split in the Republican party at this moment that brings some hope?
Establishment Globalist endless wars RINOs vs American First MAGA
?
really, no difference between Bush v Trump
Endless wars v No wars
?
 
Said interference is one of the challenges this country has to overcome if we're to ever mend, especially if you think social media plays a role in dividing us.

Acknowledging foreign interference doesn't automatically infer that the 2016 election was illegitimate. One can acknowledge that while fraudulent votes exist their numbers are so small they didn't for example make the 2016 election illegitimate either.

Having said that neither foreign interference or fraudulent votes is something you want to see in a healthy democracy.

Then why unironically regurgitate "The big lie"? I'm genuinely curious. Were you simply trying to get a rise out of people or do you actually believe it? You're lending credence to one and openly mocking the other, then defending them both as equally important to resolve. I don't get how you can't see the contradiction.
 
In 2016 there was also cheating
It just wasn't enough and threw the FEDs off
There has never been any real attempt to cheat Trump in
RussiaRussiaRussiaWhatevar
But there is real FED cheating selecting RINOs & Dimos going on right now in primaries
 
Then why unironically regurgitate "The big lie"? I'm genuinely curious. Were you simply trying to get a rise out of people or do you actually believe it? You're lending credence to one and openly mocking the other, then defending them both as equally important to resolve. I don't get how you can't see the contradiction.

:shrug: I thought the big lie was trump's claim that the election was stolen?
 
It is, it's also a cringe dem talking point that attempts to isolate his claim as somehow uniquely special and dangerous, as if every election is not delegitimized by the opposition.
 
I seem to remember shortly after Trump was elected, the Emos got to work right away trying to overrule or deny their states votes going to Trump.
 
gilligan has experienced the trauma and long lasting consequences of nefarious russian memes designed to rig the election

exhibit a:

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Here are 10 minutes of Democrats denying the presidential election results of 2000, 2004, and 2016.



Here Are So Many Examples of Democrats Denying Election Results That Your Head Will Spin

There are hundreds and hundres of more examples.

DEMOCRATS CALLED THE 2000 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION “STOLEN,” “FRAUDULENT,” AND A “COUP D’ETAT”

For years, Democrats have refused to accept the results of the 2000 presidential election.
Al Gore repeatedly claimed that he was the real winner of the 2000 election.
In 2002, Gore claimed he “would have won” if every vote in Florida was counted and that he “absolutely” believed he would become president after the ordered recount.
Gore’s wife, Tipper, said that “I still believe we won.”
In 2016, Gore brought up the 2000 election during a rally for Hillary Clinton and did not refute chants from the audience saying he won.
In 2017, Gore implied Jeb Bush “may have had something” to do with him losing Florida.
Gore, in 2017: “Actually, I think I carried Florida.”
Hillary Clinton, more than once, questioned the legitimacy of the 2000 election.
In 2002, Clinton said Bush had been “selected” and not elected president.
In 2016, Clinton said that the Supreme Court “took away a presidency” in Bush v. Gore.
Then-President Bill Clinton in 2001 claimed that Gore actually won the election, suggesting that all the votes in Florida were not counted and that the Supreme Court had altered the outcome.
Clinton: “The only way [Republicans] could win the election was to stop the voting in Florida.”
Former President Jimmy Carter has repeatedly denied the results of the 2000 election.
Carter, in 2005: “There is no doubt in my mind that Al Gore was elected president.”
Carter, in 2014: “I don’t think that George W. Bush won the election in 2000.”
Terry McAuliffe repeated claims that the 2000 election was “stolen” for over two decades.
Repeatedly in 2001, then-DNC Chairman McAuliffe claimed that Al Gore won the election.
In 2004, McAuliffe falsely accused Republicans of “stealing” the 2000 presidential election.
In 2008, McAuliffe accused Republicans of “stealing” the 2000 election in his autobiography.
In 2017, McAuliffe once again claimed that Al Gore “did win the election.”
In 2021, McAuliffe doubled down on his previous “stolen” election claims and refused to say that Bush won the 2000 election.
Former presidential candidate Rev. Jessie Jackson, Sr. said Gore’s election was “essentially taken and stolen.”
Former DNC Chairwoman Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) in 2016 said that Al Gore won Florida.
Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD), a member of the January 6th Committee, has repeatedly suggested the 2000 election was illegitimate.
In 2002, Raskin wrote that the Supreme Court had “[frozen] the election results” in an “outrageous assault on democracy,” saying the Court had “ determine[d] the outcome of a presidential election.”
In 2003, Raskin called Bush America’s first “court-appointed president.”
15 House Democrats even objected to counting Florida’s electoral votes.
Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) questioned the 2000 Florida election results, calling them “fraudulent” and staging a walkout of the House chamber.
Rep. James Clyburn (D-SC) questioned the integrity of the election and “the future of our democracy.”
Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-TX) claimed that there was “overwhelming evidence” that Bush did not win the 2000 election and vowed there would be “no peace” as a result.
Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX) called the Florida electoral count “inaccurate.”
​Former Rep. Corrine Brown (D-FL) said that Bush “was not elected,” saying in 2004 that Bush was chosen by the Supreme Court and that the election was stolen in a “coup d’état.”

DEMOCRATS REPEATEDLY CAST DOUBT ON THE LEGITIMACY OF THE 2004 ELECTION

The election in 2004 was no different than 2000, with Democrats once again denying the results of an election they did not agree with.

In 2005, then-Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) and then-Rep. Stephanie Tubbs (D-OH) filed an objection to the certification of Ohio’s electoral college votes.
31 House Democrats voted to reject electoral votes from the state of Ohio, including Reps. Bennie Thompson (D-MS), Barbra Lee (D-CA), Maxine Waters (D-CA), Raúl Grijalva (D-AZ), James Clyburn (D-SC), and now-Senator Ed Markey (D-MA).
In 2005, House Democrats authored a report claiming there were “‘numerous, serious election irregularities” in Ohio’s presidential vote.
John Kerry raised questions about the election on multiple occasions, claiming that many voters were “denied their right to vote; too many who tried to vote were intimidated.”
In November 2005, New York University professor Mark Crispin Miller said that John Kerry told him he thought “the election was stolen.”
Kerry’s wife Teresa Heinz Kerry also claimed the presidential election could have been hacked and stolen.
In 2004, then-DNC Chairman Terry McAuliffe commissioned a “comprehensive investigative study on election practices in Ohio” to address “legitimate questions and concerns.”
In 2006, then-DNC Chairman Howard Dean stated that he was “not confident that the election in Ohio was fairly decided” in 2004.
In 2008, Dean accused Republicans of stealing elections and inferred they stole the election in 2004.
Then-Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) questioned the “integrity” of electronic voting machines in the 2004 election.
In January 2005, then-Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) claimed there were many “legitimate” questions regarding the “accuracy” and “integrity” of the 2004 election.
Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL) applauded objections to the 2004 election and thanked Sen. Boxer for objecting to Ohio’s electoral votes, saying voters can’t be confident their vote will be counted.
Then-Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA) applauded Sen. Boxer and Rep. Tubbs Jones for objecting to Ohio’s electoral votes, calling their objections an “important service for American democracy.”
Harkin also accused Republicans of a “concerted effort to suppress the vote” and suggested electronic voting machines could lead to “serious fraud.”
Then-Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) in 2005 applauded Democrat efforts to contest the 2004 election, called the election “flawed,” and suggested problems may have been the result of “manipulation.”
Then-Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) alleged “systematic voter disenfranchisement” and faulty voting machines in the 2004 election.
In September 2008, then-Sen. Barrack Obama (D-IL) joked about the 2004 election, saying it helps that in Ohio “Democrats are in charge of the [voting] machines” in the upcoming election.
Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-MI) questioned the use and efficacy of electronic voting machines in the 2004 election.
In January 2005, then-House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) praised Sen. Boxer’s challenge of the election, saying the debate is “fundamental to our democracy.”
Pelosi said it is “appropriate” to have the debate concerning the 2004 election and claimed that there were “legitimate concerns” regarding the “integrity” of U.S. elections.
Then-Rep. Sherrod Brown (D-OH) argued the 2004 election was “riddled with unnecessary problems.”
Danny Davis (D-IL) claimed the 2004 election contained widespread “fraud.”
Then-Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) claimed that “dirty tricks occurred across the state” of Ohio in the 2004 election.
Then-Rep. William Lacy Clay (D-MO) blamed “inadequate and malfunctioning” electronic voting machines for “numerous irregularities.”
Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA) claimed democracy was once again “thwarted” in 2004 and blamed the use of electronic voting machines for voter suppression.
Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX) said, “the system of voting broke down Nov. 2, 2004” and called for an independent audit of discarded ballots.
Jackson Lee then said, “we cannot declare that the election of November 2nd, 2004 was free and clear and transparent and real for all of those who attempted to vote.”
Then-Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-CA) in 2005 attacked the efficacy of voting machines saying they “can’t be trusted.”
Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-NY) repeatedly claimed there were irregularities in the 2004 election.
In November 2004, Nadler said that “we are requesting an investigation into all the allegations, of irregularities with respect to the electronic and other voting machines.”
In November 2004, Nadler said that “well, we have received…any number of communications, e-mails, everything about all kinds of irregularities.”
In December 2004, Nadler said that “paper ballots are extremely susceptible to fraud.”
In January 2005, Nadler said the right to vote was “stolen” from voters.
Then-Rep. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) cast doubt on the security of electronic voting machines in the 2004 election saying he was “worried” that some machines do not have a paper trail.
Then-Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) said Boxer And Tubbs performed a “very valuable public service” and stated he was concerned with all “reports of voting problems in many parts of the country.”
Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) said the problems with the Ohio election could have been “outcome determinative.”
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. in 2006 wrote an op-ed claiming that Republicans “stole” the 2004 election.
Rev. Jesse Jackson, Sr. “questioned the legitimacy” of the election and suggested the Bush victory was the result of “fraud and stealing.”

DEMOCRATS REFUSED TO ACCEPT THE RESULTS OF THE 2016 ELECTION

In 2017, seven House Democrats tried to object to the 2016 election electoral votes.

After President Trump’s victory in 2016, 67 Democrats boycotted his inauguration, with many “claiming his election was illegitimate.”

After the 2016 election, Hillary Clinton repeatedly questioned the legitimacy of the election and claimed the election was stolen from her.

In September 2017, Hillary Clinton said she would not “rule out” questioning the legitimacy of the 2016 election.

In March 2019, Clinton smiled in agreement when former State Sen. Hank Sanders (D-AL) said the election was stolen from her.
In May 2019, Clinton said the 2016 election was “stolen” from her.
In September 2019, Clinton dismissed Trump as an “illegitimate president” and said “he knows” he stole the 2016 presidential election.
In October 2019, Clinton said that Trump knows that he is “an illegitimate president.”
In December 2019, Clinton nodded in agreement that she won the election.
In July 2020, Clinton said Trump is scared for Americans to see “how illegitimate his victory” was.
In October 2020, Clinton claimed that the 2016 presidential election was not conducted legitimately, saying, “we still don’t really know what happened.”
Former President Jimmy Carter said he believed that “a full investigation” would show that Trump didn’t actually win the election in 2016.
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) said “I believe” Russian interference altered the outcome of the election.
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) dodged answering whether Trump was “a legitimate president.”
Rep Raul Grijalva (D-AZ) said the “legitimacy is in question” of Trump’s presidency.
Then-Rep. John Lewis (D-GA) said he did not believe President Trump is a “legitimate president.”
Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA) “applauded” John Lewis and said that he was “right on target.”
Then-Rep. Cedric Richmond (D-LA) said that John Lewis’ remarks on Trump not being legitimately elected “are reasonable.”
Rep. Ted Lieu (D-CA) said “there absolutely is a cloud of illegitimacy” to Trump’s presidency.
Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-NY) said that Trump’s election was “illegitimate” and that Trump “is an illegitimate president.”
Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD) justified his decision to object to certification saying Republicans engaged in “deliberate voter suppression … in numerous swing states.”
Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-IL) refused to attend President Trump’s inauguration ceremony because Trump’s election victory was “tainted” by “foreign interference and voter suppression.”
Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) refused to say if Trump was a “legitimate president.”

DEMOCRATS HAVE CONTINUED TO CAST DOUBT ON OTHER ELECTIONS SINCE 2016

In 2018, Stacey Abrams refused to concede after losing the Georgia governor’s race and repeatedly challenged the “legitimacy of the election” after her loss.
Following her defeat, Abrams never conceded and continued to argue that she truly won the election.
Abrams said she would not concede a race that was an “erosion of our democracy,” was “not a free and fair election,” and was simply “not just.”
She called her defeat “fully attributable to voter suppression” and argued there was widespread voter disenfranchisement.
Many other prominent Democrats supported Abrams in her stolen election claims:
Hillary Clinton said Stacey Abrams “would have won” Georgia’s gubernatorial race “if she had a fair election” and that Stacey Abrams “should be governor” but was “deprived of the votes [she] otherwise would have gotten.”
Sen. Cory Booker (D-NJ) said “I think that Stacey Abrams’s election is being stolen from her.”
Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH) said that “if Stacey Abrams doesn’t win in Georgia, they stole it.”
Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) said “the evidence seems to suggest” the race was stolen from Stacey Abrams.
Former Vermont Governor and DNC chair Howard Dean said Abrams “should not concede” and that the election was “almost certainly stolen.”
Obama Attorney General Eric Holder said “I tend to think Stacey Abrams won that election.”
After losing his Florida gubernatorial race in 2018, Andrew Gillum withdrew his concession and pointed to “questions over the handling of the vote” in certain counties.
In 2020, after losing his House race, former Rep. Anthony Brindisi (D-NY) called for authorities to investigate voting irregularities and issues of “massive disenfranchisement of voters.”
Former State Sen. Rita Hart (D-IA) contested the election results of her House race loss in 2020, arguing that ballots were improperly rejected.

BIDEN AND HIS OFFICIALS HAVE PUSHED STOLEN ELECTION CLAIMS

In both 2013, and in 2016, Biden claimed that Gore won the 2000 presidential election.

In May 2019, Biden said he “absolutely agrees” that Trump is an “illegitimate president.”
Kamala Harris has repeatedly cast doubt on election results over the years.
Following the Georgia gubernatorial race in 2018, Kamala Harris claimed that “without voter suppression, Stacey Abrams would be the governor of Georgia” and that Gillum would be “the governor of Florida.”
In 2019, Harris agreed that Trump was an “illegitimate president.”
Multiple Biden administration officials have a history of denying election results.
For nearly two decades, Biden’s Chief of Staff Ron Klain claimed that Al Gore won the 2000 election.
Biden Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre tweeted that the 2018 Georgia gubernatorial race was stolen.
Jean-Pierre also cast doubt on the 2016 election, tweeting “stolen election …..welcome to the world of #unpresidented Trump.”
Kamala Harris’ Communications Director Jamal Simmons for years tweeted that Bush “stole” the 2000 election.
Cedric Richmond – Biden’s former Director of the White House Office of Public Engagement – said that John Lewis’ remarks on Trump not being legitimately elected were “reasonable.”
Then-Rep. Marcia Fudge (D-OH), now Biden’s HUD Secretary, said that Trump “may not be a legitimate president.”
 
does it show trump winning and then u wake up the next day and everyone is saying biden won
 
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