US Spaceflight for the future [update]

Assuming they can get WB-8 operating at beta=1, if losses scale at something reasonably close to B^.25*r^2 and the power scales at B^4*r^3, then there's a reasonable chance they'll be able to fund a full scale reactor in May.

Rick has said it's best to have two machines going at a time, so May 2011 could see the start of a WB-D/100/9 reactor to go along with the optional WB-8.1 if the WB-8 results look really promising (that would sort of make sense, because then the p-B11 results from WB-8.1 lead naturally into a second reactor for p-B11). If WB-8 results are very disappointing, then we probably won't even see the WB-8.1 built.

So in eight months, we should at least know SOMETHING.
just some chatter on a different forum

someone also asked a question, if it does work well, why wouldnt the navy just classify the fuck out of it and bingo bango, we see no net gain in society as a whole

(but the navy cuts tremendous costs)
 
Thanks Goshin for bringing up some very interesting news, good read, some good practical ideas there. Just wondering about this though:
oooo, some interesting news
NASA and Commercial industry combine to outline FTD Propellant Depot plan | NASASpaceFlight.com



lets hope they follow through with it, as it would really lead to an opening of space for players without huge amounts of money to build gigantic rockets
As you know most of the energy is expended near the earth, once up in orbit it doesn't take a lot of fuel to reach other destinations - assuming of course that you want to use the sling shotting energy generated by pulling out of the earth's pull. Why would you want to lose (hey thanks for the spelling lesson) this energy?

I don't know much about this, just asking.

did I say this nice enough
 
:lol: yes you did

the reason a propellant depot would be amazing is, right now ships are built to be gigantic, because they have to not only send themselves into space, but also all the fuel they will need for any given mission. And then they need to launch the mass of that additional fuel up, and that additional fuel, ad infintum.

By making it so a ship only needs to launch with enough fuel to get to earth orbit, you can launch smaller cheaper rockets and go just as far or farther on any mission. It allows for many different players access to the game so to speak, and wittles down expensive space programs.

you still will want to sling shot using other planetary bodies and it can still be done easily.
 
HAWTHORNE, CA – Today Space Exploration Technologies (SpaceX) and Astrium announced a commercial agreement to provide dedicated launch services to the European institutional small satellite market.
Under the agreement, Astrium intends to work with SpaceX to market Falcon 1 launch capabilities to various space agencies and other institutional customers in Europe for launches to take place through 2015.
With dedicated launch services, customers with very small payloads can launch independently to low-Earth orbit, giving them greater control over launch and launch schedule. With the Falcon 1, these services can be provided at the world's lowest cost per flight when compared to any other launch service provider.
"I am proud that such a prominent European leader in space transportation, satellite systems and services would choose to team with SpaceX," said Elon Musk, SpaceX CEO and CTO. "Our agreement with Astrium opens exciting new doors for SpaceX. Together we will meet the growing demand for reliable, low-cost and dedicated launch services for very small Earth observation and scientific payloads for European institutional customers."
Falcon launch vehicles are designed to provide breakthrough advances in reliability, cost, and time to launch. The primary design driver is reliability — nothing is more important than getting a customer's spacecraft safely to its intended destination.
space x is now available to launch small european satillite loads
 
Launching Millennium Force to 120 MPH is one thing. Launching a drone to mach 10? That's far fetched at this time. So is the idea of a space elevator.
 
space elevator isn't too far fetched

a better method which probably is above our technical capabilities is the space fountain (uses big magnets)

i'm going to a meeting all day but i'll read your railgun launcher thing later, and then deconstruct why it won't ever work :)
 
Launching Millennium Force to 120 MPH is one thing. Launching a drone to mach 10? That's far fetched at this time. So is the idea of a space elevator.

the space elevator isn't as far fetched as you think.

unless you think it's like a building elevator that's just a really long ride, then yes, that is far fetched.
 
boeing didn't announce a space tourism business...

they and bigelow have been under contract together for months now working on orion-light (since boeing crafted the plans for the orion capsule). bigelow needs a commericial provider who can send people into space so it can launch it's habitat moduals and have a space hotel. Though as time goes on they have shifted more on research labs and habs for government programs (and also anyone else wanting to put a station up).

your quote should read (from the article)
"Boeing said Wednesday that it was entering the space tourism business,"

also side note, no mention of SpaceX and the Dragon capsule, which will be used in the coming year for Nasa and which was built to accomodate passengers.
 
SO, 581G was discovered yesterday, 20 LY away. Apparently even with a .2c solar sail system (which has yet to be tested) or the famous nuke idea of exploding bombs behind the ship to generate thrust (.1c), it will take us hundreds of years to get there and receive information back.

Rather than send a probe, a lot of opinions are pointing towards increasing the presence of our space telescopes. A rather novel idea is to build a telescope array (so a bunch of smaller mirrors rather than one giant one) on the darkside of the moon to look out (L2 i think?)

Finally, Congress passed a bill allowing 58 billion to Nasa over 3 years and it looks like they are going to go with a shuttle derived heavy lift vehicle based on some Constellation tech and shuttle (obviously) tech, inline design. This is a good thing, and essentially what the Jupiter rocket is touted by Direct.

We'll see what happens in the next few years

i'm wondering if congress will allow more funding to Nasa to build some telescopes/radioscopes whatever to find more planets and in better detail

if 581 is the 117th closest star to us, there's a probable chance that a closer star may also have habitable planets. Took 11 years of staring at 581 to find this one.

Onward and upward
 
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Congressional Compromise Nears: NASA’s Immediate Future Gains Clarity | NASASpaceFlight.com

here's what the compromise bill consists of:
funding for a final 135 shuttle mission in June 2011.
all the money asked for regarding planetary sciences/research
1.5 billion/yr for 3 years on new tech r&d
propellant depot tech and hopeful utilization by 2016.
SDHLV by 2016
Under the compromise bill, $1.2 billion would be given over the course of three years to commercial cargo and crew development. Should initial commercial cargo services prove successful and reliable, an additional $2.1 billion would be appropriated for follow-on Commercial Resupply Services for further delivery contracts.

Additionally, the bill would give the Administrator the authority to fully fund the proposed Commercial Orbital Transportation Services (COTS) program if they meet their contracted milestones and are deemed viable.


Lastly, the other major part concerning manned space flight would be the approval and funding of the International Space Station through at least 2020. The compromise bill would further mandate the establishment an entity to manage ISS National Laboratory research and provide increased funding to revitalize space life and physical science research and technology on ISS to address primary concerns for human exploration of outer space.

This revitalization would also serve to provide both short-term and long-term societal benefits.

Additionally, a further $150 million would be invested, over three years, into the Robotic Precursor program to NEOs (Near Earth Objects) and Mars – with the express goal of paving the way for eventual manned missions.
 
the report on 581G
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1009/1009.5733v1.pdf

and a smart guy's take on the new planet:
Possible earthlike planet found in the Goldilocks zone of a nearby star! | Bad Astronomy | Discover Magazine
First, a few things: 1) Gliese 581 is a dinky, cool red dwarf about 20 light years away. That’s pretty close as stars go; only a handful are closer. Bear in mind it’s still 200 trillion kilometers (120 trillion miles) away, and that’s still a bit of a drive.

2) The planet is one of six now known to orbit the star [that link goes to a PDF of the journal paper]. Apparently, all the planets have neat, circular orbits, so the system seems to be stable. This new planet takes 37 days to orbit the star once, and orbits at a distance about 1/6 the distance of the Earth from the Sun. As far as we know, it’s the fourth planet from its star.

3) The planets have all been found by the Doppler method: as they orbit the star, they tug on it. This causes a shift in the wavelength of emitted light from the star. The mass of the planet, its distance from the star, and the shape of the orbit all determine how the light shifts, which is how astronomers found those properties of the new planet.

OK, so that’s what we know. Now let me be clear here about stuff we can be fairly sure about.


If you’re too close to a star, it’s too hot to support liquid water. If you’re too far, it freezes. This defines a rough region from the star — the Goldilocks Zone, for obvious reasons — where liquid water can exist on the surface of a planet. This depends on the star, of course, but also on other factors like the planet’s atmosphere; Venus could have liquid water, but its super-thick atmosphere produces a runaway greenhouse effect which has heated it to 460° C (900° F). If Mars had a thick atmosphere, it might support liquid water! So the planet itself matters here too.

Gliese 581g, as the new planet is called, is in the zone where the temperature is just right. And with a mass of just three times that of the Earth, it’s unlikely to be a gas giant.

However, this does not mean the planet is habitable, or even very Earthlike. It may not even have any water on it at all. For now, we can’t know these things, so beware of any media breathlessly talking about life on this planet, or how we could live there.

There are some things we can speculate on with some solid footing. The orbital period of 37 days puts it pretty close to the star – since the star is a red dwarf, it’s cooler than the Sun, so being closer doesn’t necessarily mean you overheat. But it does mean the star exerts strong tides on the planet, which have the effect of slowing the planet’s rotation until it equals the orbital period. This has almost certainly happened to this planet, so in other words, one day on this planet = one year, and the planet always shows the same face to its star like the Moon does to the Earth.

That makes things a bit dicier for habitability. The side facing the star may get very hot, while the dark side gets very cold. If the planet has an atmosphere that gets mitigated somewhat (the hot air on the day side will flow over to the night side and vice versa, smoothing out the highs and lows in temperature), and may make the planet more clement. However, we have no clue if this planet has an atmosphere at all.

I also want to note that the mass found (3x Earth) is the minimum mass of the planet! It may be more massive, though it’s unlikely to be much more. The Doppler method doesn’t give an exact mass, only a lower limit. That’s frustrating, but that’s the way the math works out.

tada
 
on skylon:
Skylon spaceplane gathers momentum | In-depth | The Engineer

The breakthrough for Reaction Engines has been in the development of its pre-cooler system. At Mach 5, SABRE will need to cope with gases entering at temperatures reaching 1,000 degrees celcius. The pre-cooler uses thousands of small-bore thin-wall tubes, each around the width of a human hair, to drop the air temperature to -150degrees celcius in just 30ms. Back when Skylon was still a concept, the required heat exchangers for this type of pre-cooled jet engine were impossible to make, but with improvements in materials and manufacturing techniques, Varvill believes the technology has turned a corner.

’No one has ever made these heat exchangers at the size, scale and weight that we need to achieve,’ said Varvill. ’We’re attempting do that at the moment and it’s technically very demanding…; If all goes well, we’re hoping to run tests by the middle of next year in front of a Viper jet engine.’ The pre-cooler demonstration technology will be boosted by 1m euros (£817,000) provided by the ESA in February last year to help fund the development programme. Using this money alongside private backing, the team has made huge leaps forward, most notably with its frost-control system.



Read more: Skylon spaceplane gathers momentum | In-depth | The Engineer
 
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