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17541 - 12-22-2021, 15:39
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Are people trying to argue against having autopilot, using this incident as an example of why it shouldn't be allowed?

As if to suggest that the autopilot failed to prevent an accident that even the human behind the wheel probably couldn't have prevented in all likelihood? Therefore, autopilot should never be used on the road?
 
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autopilot shouldn't be used on the road.
 
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if that truck had autopilot, it wouldn't have crashed and spun into opposing traffic.

+1 for autopilot.
 
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radar isn't effective at detecting stationary objects
While the object was stationary, the car was not. Radar works by detecting the difference in distance and rate of change. As the car was moving toward the object, the radar should have detected the difference in how far away it was. While the computer would know the speed of the traveling car, it should have still recognized there was an object in the vehicles path that was rapidly getting closer. Only factors I can see that might have contributed is the curve of the road and the truck to the right obscuring it until at the last few seconds.

Donít have anything against autopilot. My own car has collision warning detection, lane keep assist, etc so I am not adverse to the technology. Itís just not ready for prime time yet.
 
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That's why I drive a 1996 Dodge Stealth
 
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I didn't see that one coming.
 
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While the object was stationary, the car was not. Radar works by detecting the difference in distance and rate of change. As the car was moving toward the object, the radar should have detected the difference in how far away it was. While the computer would know the speed of the traveling car, it should have still recognized there was an object in the vehicles path that was rapidly getting closer. Only factors I can see that might have contributed is the curve of the road and the truck to the right obscuring it until at the last few seconds.

Don***8217;t have anything against autopilot. My own car has collision warning detection, lane keep assist, etc so I am not adverse to the technology. It***8217;s just not ready for prime time yet.
there are a lot of stationary objects, like the median or a signpost, that the radar system is designed to ignore, i.e. objects that appear to be moving towards your car at the same rate of speed as your car. so some other technology is needed to see a stationary object, and any tesla with autopilot is currently designed to crash into stationary objects in the way that it doesn't see with its cameras.
 
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any tesla with autopilot is currently designed to crash into stationary objects in the way that it doesn't see with its cameras.
That makes no sense. Radar can definitely detect a stationary object. Then it should be a matter of determining if it is in your path of travel.
 
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If it can discern a median or a sign post and when to ignore it... I'd have to think the engineers would have included a caveat that it shouldn't ignore medians and sign posts if they are in the path of the car.

This computer, did not see a median and ignore it... it didn't see anything at all.

This isn't a situation where the autopilot failed to recognize an obstruction that is obviously distinguishable by a typical human operator ... it failed to detect an obstacle in difficult conditions that would be difficult, if not impossible, for even a human operator.
 
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Are you saying that radar can't see in the dark?
 
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If it can discern a median or a sign post and when to ignore it... I'd have to think the engineers would have included a caveat that it shouldn't ignore medians and sign posts if they are in the path of the car.

This computer, did not see a median and ignore it... it didn't see anything at all.

This isn't a situation where the autopilot failed to recognize an obstruction that is obviously distinguishable by a typical human operator ... it failed to detect an obstacle in difficult conditions that would be difficult, if not impossible, for even a human operator.
You have to discount the dark, radar doesnít care.
 
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This argument can not be; "if not for the autopilot, this accident would not have occurred".

Even if it can be shown that the Autopilot should have seen the wreck and failed to respond in time, that doesn't mean the autopilot can be faulted as the cause of the accident. The fault is that the autopilot only failed to prevent it.
 
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This argument can not be; "if not for the autopilot, this accident would not have occurred".

Even if it can be shown that the Autopilot should have seen the wreck and failed to respond in time, that doesn't mean the autopilot can be faulted as the cause of the accident. The fault is that the autopilot only failed to prevent it.
No argument from me. Iím not really assigning blame. I chock it up to more **** happens. A perfect storm of conditions.

Not that I wouldnít sue the **** out of Tesla. Because Ďmerika.
 
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if that truck had autopilot, it wouldn't have crashed and spun into opposing traffic.

+1 for autopilot.
Judging by the tire tracks on the road, the black truck went off the right side, driver over corrected and sent it into the rail on the left. Around 2.5 seconds the headlights light up the road on the left before smashing the rail. Lucky the semi didn't get involved.
 
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Are people trying to argue against having autopilot, using this incident as an example of why it shouldn't be allowed?

As if to suggest that the autopilot failed to prevent an accident that even the human behind the wheel probably couldn't have prevented in all likelihood? Therefore, autopilot should never be used on the road?
Remember the guy who walked away from a wreck without a scratch, but would have been killed if he'd worn a seat belt?

Yeah, so morons still gonna moron on stupid **** like this.

Ooh a Tesla caught fire because batteries. I want my ICE back. **** off.
 
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remember when people used to post gifs in this thread?
 
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I member
 
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^ backstory?
 
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