This coming from a pear that thought I made up the word infrastructure.
Wisconsin Labor Rally Pictures
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This coming from a pear that thought I made up the word infrastructure.
I always find it amusing when people say that the biggest problem around is a public union, while ignoring the massive amounts of subsidies paid out to pharma as 'healthcare expenses' from the gov't, and the fact that your life depends on the good graces of an insurance company if you're not sufficiently moneyed/famous.
Yeah, privatize yourself into heaven, be my guest.
Yeah, privatize yourself into heaven, be my guest.
Obama already took care of that with Obamacare.
Yes, because mandatory health insurance is the same as universal healthcare.
Or was your sarcastic too?
I can never tell online.
yes it was.
Bravo. Maybe you could also help contribute to Wikiversity
Yes, that is a valid problem. I'd back a political party that promised to solve that problem, but none exist as their pockets are deep into both dems and repubs. Public employee unions only back dems, so finding people that will fight them is easy.
i realize this thread is about Wisconsin but i wanted to bring this up from Cali to show what i believe is what many Americans are worried about with these public unions and their retirement benefits.
to continue to pay these people this amount for retirement for life is totally unsustainable. 2 or 3 years ago a city about 20 minutes from me called Vallejo had to file for bankruptcy because they could no longer honor the cities retirements and health care benefits and the unions, still would not budge at all.
now, Wisconsin is doing very well with managing their pensions compared to Cali and many of the other state as you can see here from PEW research centers State Pensions and Retiree Health Benefits: The Trillion Dollar Gap
Wisonsin pdf
compared to California's.
California pdf
you can check out how your state is doing too here: State details
something needs to be done about this before it destroys us all and the unions know they are part of the problem but their entitlement mentality blinds them to damage they are causing.
to continue to pay these people this amount for retirement for life is totally unsustainable. 2 or 3 years ago a city about 20 minutes from me called Vallejo had to file for bankruptcy because they could no longer honor the cities retirements and health care benefits and the unions, still would not budge at all.
now, Wisconsin is doing very well with managing their pensions compared to Cali and many of the other state as you can see here from PEW research centers State Pensions and Retiree Health Benefits: The Trillion Dollar Gap
Wisonsin pdf
compared to California's.
California pdf
you can check out how your state is doing too here: State details
something needs to be done about this before it destroys us all and the unions know they are part of the problem but their entitlement mentality blinds them to damage they are causing.
You could also try banning campaign contributions greater than $1/individual, no gifts, no corporate donations. One vote per person, one dollar per person.
I'm not too familiar (at all) with the in's and out's of US laws regarding this though, so that may be idiotic.
Not so. Every worker in Wisconsin has the right to try and form a union, and have that union act as the bargaining agent for all that are in it. This bill would make a LAW that would allow unions to bargain for salaries ONLY for state workers. Working conditions, evaluation procedures, health benefits-- all of that would be off the table and at the sole discretion of the state.
In fact, the salaried compensation (the money, as you said) is the only part that the union would be allowed to negotiate for, were this to become a real law. Because the labor relations board oversees every working person's rights, this is the governor is trying to pass a new LAW. He has to change the laws so that state workers are precluded from the rights every other worker has. We aren't protesting for money, this is about rights. We offered to give him the money he was asking for, provided we could retain our right to collectively bargain, just like every other worker in the state. This is all about rights.
In other news, the rally is supposed to be 100,000 today. I, for one, am tired and will watch it on paperview.
Protesters plan biggest rally at Wisconsin Capitol - USATODAY.com
I hope we don't have to strike, but we're prepared to.
The only thing I've got online right now is a chapter summary of linear algebra I threw together for the students' midterm. The tech tree thing was done offline for a different class. I'll integrate more eventually, but for now I have to grade papers :/
Thanks for the link. It looks like their stuff is kind of bare-bones right now. I want to develop my own ideas more before I start to sell other people on them.
Virginia is 70% white, and California is 42%. Virginia is on the list, California is not. Try again?
Yup. Well, not Vanster, he's unemployed.
And let's be clear about something. In 2009, the Democrats in Wisconsin expanded the public union's benefits. All the governor is trying to do is roll back that expansion to what it was before. The benefits package the public union gets is already excessively generous and would still be a sweetheart deal even if the governor succeeds.
As it stands, the teachers should all be fired. I predict that at the very least large layoffs will happen soon. I don't think the governor is bluffing and he has the support of the majority of the voters to back it up. No matter how many union thugs get bussed in from out of state.
And in all of this, the poor poor children are all forgotten.
You think he campaigned on this issue? Because according to polls, the majority of people DON'T back this.
How much has the Mexican/Latino/whatever the fuck you want to call it population grown in the past 20 years? I'll give you a hint... It went up approximately 37% in the US in the past 10 years.
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