[USA] The Kyle Rittenhouse Trial Has Begun
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SkittleBrew
Veteran XV
This is precisely what happened. And people call them "vigilantes" like that's a pejorative term. American heroes in my estimation.
I didn't know the exact charges... Grabbed these from an article....
FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESS HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON
This felony charge is connected to the death of Joseph Rosenbaum
The charge is a felony punishable by up to 60 years in prison. The dangerous weapon modifier carries another five years.
FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON
This felony charge is also connected to the Rosenbaum shooting. The charge is punishable by 12 1/2 years in prison. The weapons modifier carries another five years.
FIRST-DEGREE INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON
This charge is connected to Anthony Huber's death.
The count carries a mandatory life sentence. The weapons modifier would add up to five years.
ATTEMPTED FIRST-DEGREE INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON
This is the charge for Rittenhouse shooting Gaige Grosskreutz in the arm
The charge carries a maximum sentence of 60 years. The weapons modifier would add up to five more years.
FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON
Video shows an unknown man leaping at Rittenhouse and trying to kick him seconds before Huber moves his skateboard toward him. Rittenhouse appears to fire two rounds at the man but apparently misses as the man runs away.
This charge is a felony punishable by 12 1/2 years in prison. The weapons modifier again would add up to five more years.
POSSESSION OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON BY A PERSON UNDER 18
Rittenhouse was armed with an AR-style semiautomatic rifle. He was 17 years old on the night of the shootings. Wisconsin law prohibits minors from possessing firearms except for hunting.
The charge is a misdemeanor punishable by up to nine months behind bars.
FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH AN EMERGENCY ORDER FROM STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT
Kenosha officials imposed an 8 p.m. curfew the night of the shootings. Rittenhouse was still on the streets as midnight approached. The offense is punishable by up to $200 in forfeitures.
FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESS HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON
This felony charge is connected to the death of Joseph Rosenbaum
The charge is a felony punishable by up to 60 years in prison. The dangerous weapon modifier carries another five years.
FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON
This felony charge is also connected to the Rosenbaum shooting. The charge is punishable by 12 1/2 years in prison. The weapons modifier carries another five years.
FIRST-DEGREE INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON
This charge is connected to Anthony Huber's death.
The count carries a mandatory life sentence. The weapons modifier would add up to five years.
ATTEMPTED FIRST-DEGREE INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON
This is the charge for Rittenhouse shooting Gaige Grosskreutz in the arm
The charge carries a maximum sentence of 60 years. The weapons modifier would add up to five more years.
FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON
Video shows an unknown man leaping at Rittenhouse and trying to kick him seconds before Huber moves his skateboard toward him. Rittenhouse appears to fire two rounds at the man but apparently misses as the man runs away.
This charge is a felony punishable by 12 1/2 years in prison. The weapons modifier again would add up to five more years.
POSSESSION OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON BY A PERSON UNDER 18
Rittenhouse was armed with an AR-style semiautomatic rifle. He was 17 years old on the night of the shootings. Wisconsin law prohibits minors from possessing firearms except for hunting.
The charge is a misdemeanor punishable by up to nine months behind bars.
FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH AN EMERGENCY ORDER FROM STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT
Kenosha officials imposed an 8 p.m. curfew the night of the shootings. Rittenhouse was still on the streets as midnight approached. The offense is punishable by up to $200 in forfeitures.
You think? He goes from posting multiple paragraphs of whatever to short bursts of treib talk.
He's said he's on the spectrum so at least he owns it.
You can see the problem facing Kyle's defense.
The Justice System mandates that the defendant be presumed innocent and it is on the prosecution (the state) to prove he is guilty. Yet, the opposition has saturated the environment with so many falsehoods that many people, including 2/3rds of the jury pool already presume him guilty based on lies and misinformation.
You can see the twisted effort to mitigate the reality of a violent mob into being "peaceful protesters"... that the 3 people Kyle shot were convicted Pedophiles, having raped young boys, 1 has a long criminal history of violence. 1 was just release from the mental ward THAT DAY and was already on the street burning Kenosha. 1 of them was armed with a gun drawn and admitted ON CAMERA that he wished he empty the gun into Kyle's head.
But all of these guys are innocent "victims" of Kyle Rittenhouse who they've manged to smear as actually being the degenerate one and not the people he shot.
All of this is plainly visible on video and yet... people are so partisan they won't see it for what it is.
Bizzaro-World.
The Justice System mandates that the defendant be presumed innocent and it is on the prosecution (the state) to prove he is guilty. Yet, the opposition has saturated the environment with so many falsehoods that many people, including 2/3rds of the jury pool already presume him guilty based on lies and misinformation.
You can see the twisted effort to mitigate the reality of a violent mob into being "peaceful protesters"... that the 3 people Kyle shot were convicted Pedophiles, having raped young boys, 1 has a long criminal history of violence. 1 was just release from the mental ward THAT DAY and was already on the street burning Kenosha. 1 of them was armed with a gun drawn and admitted ON CAMERA that he wished he empty the gun into Kyle's head.
But all of these guys are innocent "victims" of Kyle Rittenhouse who they've manged to smear as actually being the degenerate one and not the people he shot.
All of this is plainly visible on video and yet... people are so partisan they won't see it for what it is.
Bizzaro-World.
What are you talking about .. are you insinuating the jurors are just going to ignore the video and go with they read prior to the trial?
... They will get both narratives. Only 1 makes sense. Not sure why you guys are so focused on the noise..
Yes.
Jurors are regular people. They're not special. They're not immune to bias and prejudice. Picking jurors that will side with your arguments to get the outcome yo uwant is part of the game as a lawyer. That is why a lot of money and time is invested into jury selection strategies.
During the Chauvin trial we have jurors that admitted, on record, afterward that they voted to convict based on the fear of the mob coming to their homes and getting revenge. We have a juror who openly lied about being BLM.
The Prosecution in the Rittenhouse trial began with reminding the jurors that there was an angry mob of protesters outside the doors of that very courtroom as a not-so-subtle threat of the consequences should they not pass down the correct verdict.
Jurors are regular people. They're not special. They're not immune to bias and prejudice. Picking jurors that will side with your arguments to get the outcome yo uwant is part of the game as a lawyer. That is why a lot of money and time is invested into jury selection strategies.
During the Chauvin trial we have jurors that admitted, on record, afterward that they voted to convict based on the fear of the mob coming to their homes and getting revenge. We have a juror who openly lied about being BLM.
The Prosecution in the Rittenhouse trial began with reminding the jurors that there was an angry mob of protesters outside the doors of that very courtroom as a not-so-subtle threat of the consequences should they not pass down the correct verdict.
Reggs
Veteran XX
The idea of a Jury is weird. I understand the concept of being judged by peers, and how that may make these less political, or it's thought to be anyway. It's not practical.
With changing demographics I don't want juries in the future. Also, the people most willing to be on jury duty have a lot of free time. Busy people try their best to get out of it, and if they are on a jury and there is a gridlock may very well relent because of attrition. If women are on a jury it's so emotional, and the best kind of mind to navigate law would be nigh autistic with left brain thinking.
It's not really a good system.
With changing demographics I don't want juries in the future. Also, the people most willing to be on jury duty have a lot of free time. Busy people try their best to get out of it, and if they are on a jury and there is a gridlock may very well relent because of attrition. If women are on a jury it's so emotional, and the best kind of mind to navigate law would be nigh autistic with left brain thinking.
It's not really a good system.
