Alec Baldwin just killed someone
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That's right, retard.
If two people rob a house, and one murders the occupant, the charges between the two robbers will be different in almost all situations, sometimes the second robber won't even get charged with being an accomplice if he/she didn't know that there was a weapon or it was being used.
It's weird. It's almost as if the law doesn't just blast a shotgun of murder charges to everyone in the vicinity and hope that it sticks on at least one...
Even after a friend clears a weapon and hands it to me, I automatically clear it again for my own peace of mind.
Kind of a no brainer really. Just like I have never shot anyone because I have never pointed my weapon at anyone, or anywhere near someone. But I guess some are smart and actors have no brains and must be handled like a 2 year old
Kind of a no brainer really. Just like I have never shot anyone because I have never pointed my weapon at anyone, or anywhere near someone. But I guess some are smart and actors have no brains and must be handled like a 2 year old
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mid handoff is a pretty unique situation but why was this pointed at someone to be shot? basic safety principles are being missed resulting in this accident example.
why didnt they check if clear? why didn't they show the person being handed the weapon it was clear? in this case wouldn't they have chamber flags?
it's always a confluence of errors, including the error of the person negligently discharging it.
Ding, ding, ding!
That's right. They're morons and/or ignorant.
When I was a kid, I was handed various guns. Of course, my dad and others would ultra triple check everything and repeatedly explain the importance, but they sure as fuck weren't going to just hand me a gun and assume I knew how to chamber check it. They were "experts" and I was not.
The gun was taken off of the "safe table" that the armorer set up by, then the Assistant Director grabbed one off of that same table, handed to Alec while proclaiming "it's COLD," so he could practice the scene where he shoots the viewer (camera). He apparently was asking whether he should side or cross draw and which would be better. He then took practice draws/shots at the camera. The rest is obvious. The crew was someone around the camera, possibly/probably not DIRECTLY behind it as they're reviewing footage or something, not just looking through the lens. I doubt Alec lined up his sites perfectly, shot a bullet straight through the camera lens and it traveled all the way through to hit the people. It was probably badly aimed (of course), but unfortunately they were in the line of fire.
Regardless, experienced gun people who always check, including the AD. But these are not experienced gun people. They're Hollywood liberals. The gun expert shouldn't have real guns and live ammunition loaded into her guns she's responsible for.
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i agree here.
baldwin's ignorance is not an acceptable excuse for me. his employer (lol he's a producer too) owes him the proper training to learn safety procedures and to show him how to clear a weapon he's using at work. he should have checked it himself and not pointed it at anyone. these are fundamental safety procedures.
FYI. From wiki: "The standard common law test of criminal liability is expressed in the Latin phrase actus reus non facit reum nisi mens sit rea, i.e. "the act is not culpable unless the mind is guilty".[1] As a general rule, someone who acted without mental fault is not liable in criminal law. Exceptions are known as strict liability crimes. Moreover, when a person intends a harm, but because of bad aim or other cause, the intent is transferred from an intended victim to an unintended victim, the case is considered to be a matter of transferred intent.[2]
Baldwin being charged with anything is unlikely. These were supposed to be props (whether an actual gun or not), in the care and handling of what was supposed to be an expert, and was declared as "cold" by the AD when handed to him. Standards were that two others were responsible for confirming the "prop" was "cold" (here, the armorer and the AD). Baldwin lacks any "mens rea" for a criminal charge under these facts.
Now, civil liability is quite different such as Baldwin (apparently a producer on the film), knowingly hiring incompetent staff, etc. may lead to civil liability ($$$), but insurance may cover that...
exactly
the State can protect your family better than you can regardless of your training
violence will be ended and all of us will live happily ever after
