I had made a post in another thread about mages, and I come seeking the TW Council both for enlightenment and entertainment. I will cliffs the situation. So I will make this thread instead of continuing in the previous thread.
- Coworker (who will now be known as "Jack") is a huge bragger about playing WoW and claims he is the best.
- Jack's brother (who will now be known as "Bill") also plays and fancies himself some kind of savant at WoW, and his main is a mage.
- Jack's DK, which is listed here, is the toon he constantly brags about.
- Jack's DK is solely the effort of Jack's other brother (who will be unnamed due to lack of relevance) and Jack didn't do shit to get the DK to what you see.
- Bill's mage, which is listed here, is apparently the self-proclaim best mage on his realm. His brother Jack claims he thinks up shit about being a mage no one else has.
Given all of this, I am curious both in how mages work as well as seeing exactly how true this duo's bragging is (if at all). But since I openly admit I know nothing about mages, I do know some who do... And those are the TW Mages. So for my education and entertainment, I ask you review what I present and tell it like it is. For clarity I only deal directly with Jack because 1. I see him at work regularly and 2. I get the impression Bill has all the social graces of an autistic person.
Round 1
Jack: His bragging about Bill's mage is rather inconsistent and sporadic, throwing out numbers like 12K, 16K, and a "high score" for 32K DPS. He also claims Bill invents/discovers tricks and tactics no one else has and can out-DPS anyone. I honestly think this is BS, because I know EJ think-tanks spend time probably equal to a full-time job working through theories, rotations, testing on mechanics at every chance/patch they get(even in PTR). Really going to convince me he is some kind of savant genius to a MMORPG?
TW: In surprising honesty both Pessi and Fool fired back. While I'm unsure if Pessi has a mage, it's been widely accepted Pessi knows enough about the game to know what's up. I take it on faith Fool plays a mage or (like Pessi) knows enough about them to know what's up.
Round 2
Jack: After relaying Pessi and Fool's initial assessments (without giving Jack information on TW or the two aforementioned posters) his bragging continued, but added more inconsistencies. He claims all the high numbers are not burst and sustained, he never runs out of mana (even though he say evocation is used) but fails to provide any straight facts and dodge specifics. His final counter was Bill capable of doing 6K in heroics. Obviously even I know this doesn't matter because 1. Everyone is completely over-geared for them anyway and 2. Trash and bosses die so fast there is never time to get a sustained number so it's all burst.
TW: By the posters...
- Fool; Stacking Haste over SP fixating on socket bonuses at cost of DPS. 5-man bragging is useless. A sustained 15K in 25s is complete bullshit.
- JM5K; Way too much hit while still having Arcane Focus, could put into Incanter's Absorption with that much hit. Gemming Haste while under 3K SP is stupid. Claims PvE and yet wastes a point in Slow.
- Pessi; Zero raid progression, a reasonable sign he's not good.
- Mael; Geared for AoE trash. Probably pops Icy Veins and any spell cast with it on will be under GCD and rock charts on trash. 15K on boss is a joke, can pull 30K on trash and no need for that much haste. Guessing he OOMs unless he gets lucky and has an innverate.
- Adroit; Gemming for socket past 3K SP is worth it if it yields 7+ SP, Bill's mage is not. Incanter's Absorption doesn't proc off shields and is useless. Slow isn't useless if it is a LK spec (which Bill's mage is not)
- TheGhost; Believes spell hit cap is lower, probably 190 but assumes raid buffs.
Round 3
Turns out I was actually on vent with this Bill (first time actually talking to him) and relays all the info I gave to Jack from TW. He is completely unaware I was the one talking to Jack but decides to explain his counters to me.
Bill:
- He will never intentionally go below 1000 haste, because it shaves an extra full 1/10th of a second of his cast times. I didn't follow the exact logic but he firmly believes this 1/10th of a second is critical to his mad DPS. I get the impression he feels haste will make any lack of SP frivolous at best.
- He claims to yank aggro off tanks all the time, and need a really solid tank to avoid aggro. There was no mention of any threat-reduction abilities/spells mages may have, I'll have to research that a bit later.
- He admits to running through his mana pool 3.5 times in a boss fight, and calls for innervate from druids. He doesn't seem to think running out of mana is an issue, and seems to expect innervates.
- He claims to raid, and promptly kicks people who have any PvP gear at all. I take it Khaz Modan has a lot of people who grab PvP gear and try to raid and feel Resilience is worth something in PvE. I rarely encounter people who raid in PvP gear on Bonechewer, occasionally someone will have a piece or two but never a full set.
- He seems to be considered an elitist and yet talks as though he raids regularly. Given his achievements it seems like he just beats on the door of ICC and nothing else.
So what say you TW? Let's hear it and I will update the original post as people reply.
- Coworker (who will now be known as "Jack") is a huge bragger about playing WoW and claims he is the best.
- Jack's brother (who will now be known as "Bill") also plays and fancies himself some kind of savant at WoW, and his main is a mage.
- Jack's DK, which is listed here, is the toon he constantly brags about.
- Jack's DK is solely the effort of Jack's other brother (who will be unnamed due to lack of relevance) and Jack didn't do shit to get the DK to what you see.
- Bill's mage, which is listed here, is apparently the self-proclaim best mage on his realm. His brother Jack claims he thinks up shit about being a mage no one else has.
Given all of this, I am curious both in how mages work as well as seeing exactly how true this duo's bragging is (if at all). But since I openly admit I know nothing about mages, I do know some who do... And those are the TW Mages. So for my education and entertainment, I ask you review what I present and tell it like it is. For clarity I only deal directly with Jack because 1. I see him at work regularly and 2. I get the impression Bill has all the social graces of an autistic person.
Round 1
Jack: His bragging about Bill's mage is rather inconsistent and sporadic, throwing out numbers like 12K, 16K, and a "high score" for 32K DPS. He also claims Bill invents/discovers tricks and tactics no one else has and can out-DPS anyone. I honestly think this is BS, because I know EJ think-tanks spend time probably equal to a full-time job working through theories, rotations, testing on mechanics at every chance/patch they get(even in PTR). Really going to convince me he is some kind of savant genius to a MMORPG?
TW: In surprising honesty both Pessi and Fool fired back. While I'm unsure if Pessi has a mage, it's been widely accepted Pessi knows enough about the game to know what's up. I take it on faith Fool plays a mage or (like Pessi) knows enough about them to know what's up.
Round 2
Jack: After relaying Pessi and Fool's initial assessments (without giving Jack information on TW or the two aforementioned posters) his bragging continued, but added more inconsistencies. He claims all the high numbers are not burst and sustained, he never runs out of mana (even though he say evocation is used) but fails to provide any straight facts and dodge specifics. His final counter was Bill capable of doing 6K in heroics. Obviously even I know this doesn't matter because 1. Everyone is completely over-geared for them anyway and 2. Trash and bosses die so fast there is never time to get a sustained number so it's all burst.
TW: By the posters...
- Fool; Stacking Haste over SP fixating on socket bonuses at cost of DPS. 5-man bragging is useless. A sustained 15K in 25s is complete bullshit.
- JM5K; Way too much hit while still having Arcane Focus, could put into Incanter's Absorption with that much hit. Gemming Haste while under 3K SP is stupid. Claims PvE and yet wastes a point in Slow.
- Pessi; Zero raid progression, a reasonable sign he's not good.
- Mael; Geared for AoE trash. Probably pops Icy Veins and any spell cast with it on will be under GCD and rock charts on trash. 15K on boss is a joke, can pull 30K on trash and no need for that much haste. Guessing he OOMs unless he gets lucky and has an innverate.
- Adroit; Gemming for socket past 3K SP is worth it if it yields 7+ SP, Bill's mage is not. Incanter's Absorption doesn't proc off shields and is useless. Slow isn't useless if it is a LK spec (which Bill's mage is not)
- TheGhost; Believes spell hit cap is lower, probably 190 but assumes raid buffs.
Round 3
Turns out I was actually on vent with this Bill (first time actually talking to him) and relays all the info I gave to Jack from TW. He is completely unaware I was the one talking to Jack but decides to explain his counters to me.
Bill:
- He will never intentionally go below 1000 haste, because it shaves an extra full 1/10th of a second of his cast times. I didn't follow the exact logic but he firmly believes this 1/10th of a second is critical to his mad DPS. I get the impression he feels haste will make any lack of SP frivolous at best.
- He claims to yank aggro off tanks all the time, and need a really solid tank to avoid aggro. There was no mention of any threat-reduction abilities/spells mages may have, I'll have to research that a bit later.
- He admits to running through his mana pool 3.5 times in a boss fight, and calls for innervate from druids. He doesn't seem to think running out of mana is an issue, and seems to expect innervates.
- He claims to raid, and promptly kicks people who have any PvP gear at all. I take it Khaz Modan has a lot of people who grab PvP gear and try to raid and feel Resilience is worth something in PvE. I rarely encounter people who raid in PvP gear on Bonechewer, occasionally someone will have a piece or two but never a full set.
- He seems to be considered an elitist and yet talks as though he raids regularly. Given his achievements it seems like he just beats on the door of ICC and nothing else.
So what say you TW? Let's hear it and I will update the original post as people reply.
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