i have to take a hair drug test how do i pass?

JuggerNaught said:
you're not hearing me.

many people that 'fit the bill' are smoking. so if you're screening because somehow people who smoke 'dont fit the bill'....well how does that justify the testing when you've got peeps doin the job that DO smoke?
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you do know that employers do random drug tests of employees, don't you?
 
Wolfhunt said:
As far as them caring about you smoking...it is illegal. Put yourself in their shoes for a minutes. Would you want to hire someone that takes illegal substances. Suppose you get the job and then go and smoke a few bowls. Then you feel like you want to go somewhere and get in a wreck. You are out of it and crash. Now you have just cost them money that they could have avoided.
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What about alchohol? Should they test if you have had alchohol in the last 6 months? Because by your logic you could just take a few shots on the job and crash.

How bout nyquil or tylenol?
 
wsup! said:
you do know that employers do random drug tests of employees, don't you?
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yeah, i know.

so lets say a guy works at a programming house, been there for 5-6 years. he's an excellent employee, gets along great with everyone, consistently one of the top producers and has outstanding quality in his work. the company is making alot of money off this guy and his work.

a random piss test comes up and come to find out, he's an every day smoker, not a lot, just like a half a j or a j a day.

what would be the reasoning for firing this guy? he can obviously do his job, and replacing him would cost the company in lost revenues and training a new employee.

or what if this guy is stopped at the door when applying. he has an outstanding work history, worked with/for the biggest names in the biz, he is a god and wants to work for YOUR company because you just happen to be closer to where he lives...but you pass him over because there are traces of weed, and nothing else, in his system from 2 weeks ago.
 
i didn't say you had to reject him, i said employers have the right to because you said that the tests should be illegal..

and if smoking marijuana is against company policies, then they have every right to fire him. big corporations generally put them in some sort of counselling program and weekly drug tests, however, if they are good employees.

you make it seem like toking up is some sort of a natural thing/god-given right..
 
wsup! said:
i didn't say you had to reject him, i said employers have the right to because you said that the tests should be illegal..

and if smoking marijuana is against company policies, then they have every right to fire him. big corporations generally put them in some sort of counselling program and weekly drug tests, however, if they are good employees.
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and why should someone have to go to drug counseling for smoking a joint, when probably 90% of middle/upper management have no problem with dropping a hundred bucks every couple nights at a bar for ladies night, weekends, 'off site strategy sessions'...
 
gee juggernaught, i don't know, because the company may have rules that say you can't toke up while you're working for them? because it's their business and they can do whatever they fucking want? because smoking marijuana is ILLEGAL? i don't fucking know!
 
smoking pot is illegal. people who do it obviously have no regard for the law, so there is a decent chance they wouldnt think twice about ripping off your company if it suited them.

makes sense to can them.
 
Bad_CRC said:
smoking pot is illegal. people who do it obviously have no regard for the law, so there is a decent chance they wouldnt think twice about ripping off your company if it suited them.

makes sense to can them.
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omg...and well since they smoke weed, its a good possibility you'll end up finding them in the bathroom shooting up or they might be out in the parking lot begging for a couple bucks for a heroin fix in a couple month
 
/me thinks that Juggles likes the weed and has a skewed oppinion about how many other people in the "main stream" world like the weed as well.

The bottom line is this:

Employers have an obligation their employees to provide a safe working environment. They also have an obligation to their owners/stockholders to make money. Both of these obligations are less likely to be filled by Person A who smokes pot than by Person B who is equally qualified and doesn't smoke pot.

Should it include Alcohol? Tobacco? Probably so, but since those substances are not illegal the employer is not allowed to withold/terminate employment on that basis unless they can show that it is directly interfeering with work. Example, showing up at work drunk or too hungover to function, or taking excessive smoke breaks durring the day.
 
JuggerNaught said:
omg...and well since they smoke weed, its a good possibility you'll end up finding them in the bathroom shooting up or they might be out in the parking lot begging for a couple bucks for a heroin fix in a couple month
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where the hell did you draw those conclusions from?

'sides, a pot smoker wouldn't have the motivation for harder drugs.
 
JuggerNaught said:
yeah, i know.

so lets say a guy works at a programming house, been there for 5-6 years. he's an excellent employee, gets along great with everyone, consistently one of the top producers and has outstanding quality in his work. the company is making alot of money off this guy and his work.

a random piss test comes up and come to find out, he's an every day smoker, not a lot, just like a half a j or a j a day.

what would be the reasoning for firing this guy? he can obviously do his job, and replacing him would cost the company in lost revenues and training a new employee.

or what if this guy is stopped at the door when applying. he has an outstanding work history, worked with/for the biggest names in the biz, he is a god and wants to work for YOUR company because you just happen to be closer to where he lives...but you pass him over because there are traces of weed, and nothing else, in his system from 2 weeks ago.
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This is a good example.

Alas, the guy in question here is a retard*.
Thus it does not apply.

*See Rabid's sig.
 
Chalice said:
I smoke weed,
I had to take a hair drug test to get my job at Harrahs Casino.

I got the shampoo and body wash.
Worked like a charm.

I was in like flin.
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whoa its chalice :]

*edit u in irc?
 
But then again, you have to consider the source. To Juggs, smoking weed is just a way to pass time in between welfare checks. What's he know about right and wrong?
 
Juggernaught... you do realize that the employee is not the only one who gets in trouble if busted for drugs right?

take my job at Staples. If i smoked and got hurt on the job, and they found out i smoked somehow. not only do i get fired but the company gets fined by the government about 3,500 dollars. because drug testing should occur more than it has been. (still looking for the specific legislation on it)

plus the whole point on pot smokers not respecting the law, therefore more likely to commit a crime in thier place of employment argument.
 
daerid said:
where the hell did you draw those conclusions from?

'sides, a pot smoker wouldn't have the motivation for harder drugs.
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from the same place that crc pulled the statement of how smoking a joint leads to larceny
 
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