Harvard economist explains why marijuana should be legal
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Hurricane Harold
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People who have knee-jerk emotional reactions to everything instead of actually relying on science and critical thought should be shot in the face.
(and lol harvard economist)
Heroin did used to be legal and society didn't come crashing and burning to the ground.
It also used to be widely marketed for just about everything that ails you.
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False. Incoming Wall of text.
Cannabis use WAS legal up until the 40's and was not used as highly as it is today.
Alcohol usage did not increase after prohibition.
In places where "soft" drugs are looked past, like Amsterdam, Drug usage across the board, including teens has gone down. #1 reason teens gave during the poll? Because it was no longer "cool" to do.
The problem is you have bought into the lies of certain propaganda machines who benefit from the fact that Cannabis is illegal. Do I think all drugs should be legalized? Fuck no. But at least use "real" arguments when presenting your case, because this one is a fucking basket full of dicks when it comes to truth.
How many people do you know drink just because its legal? I don't? My wife doesn't. I know plenty of people who don't drink, to think that just because Cannabis would be legal all the sudden the earth would start a mass woodstock 2010 is a laughable idea.
There has been studies that have proven that A) Cannabis does NOT lead to stronger drugs. B) Cannabis in fact does NOT kill brain cells from just "smoking" it.
Part A) During the danish testing on rats between rats who were given cannabis and the rats who weren't, when given heroin the only thing they found was that Cannabis rats would take the Heroin more often. When presented with the task to take the heroin (hammering with their nose on a "bell") both groups gave up after the amounts of presses reached 40+. What they had shown was there was no direct link to more of an urge in using the heroin, only the fact that cannabis would actually lessen the effects of heroin sooner then non cannabis rats and there for would click more often for a dose.
Part B) The Scientist / Doctor (who's name slips my mind) that was commissioned to do the testing on brain cell loss when using cannabis did not really have a very legit testing methodology. He would strap a monkey to a chair, and at one time using a gas mask pump an equal amount of cannabis as to smoking 50 high grade Cannabis joints at once.
The problem came from the fact that he did this in one hour sittings at a time. The Monkeys who were part of the Cannabis smoke testing group died with in weeks of testing. Do you know why? What else causes Brain Cell loss in high amounts?
Asphyxiation.
They found later, after doing examinations on the monkeys that they couldn't tell if the brain damage was really from cannabis or not, because they monkeys had all died from choking to death. The problem is that humans who die from the same type of sympton, choking, or smoke inhalation showed the same rate of Brain cell decay as the monkeys who were choking on Cannabis smoke.
As for the economy? No, it sure wouldn't "fix" all of our problems. But spending 2.5 billion dollars a year on a drug war that is over 90% Cannabis convictions, 8billion a dollars a year on incarceration of Cannabis users who were arrest for POSSESSION only would sure help. But that wouldn't be the only costs saved. Think of all the money we spend on public defenders for these people, the court costs, costs of the police force that isn't DEA related for holding and transporting the prisoners to and from Court.
What about just hemp? The male plant consists of .05% and lower THC and CBN, has a high amount of CBD's which actually prevent you from getting stoned (they block the cannaboid receptors in your brain) yet can produce a ton of different products. Would I wear hemp clothing? Prolly not. But yet, even though we can make dynamite, oils for skin lacerations, foods, gas, and another 2600 different items we instead buy in bulk from other countries. You see its not illegal to "use" hemp in the US, its just illegal to cultivate it.
There is plenty of reasons "why" Cannabis prohibition is a farce. But the only reason I need is because its my fucking right to do with my body what I want. As for the argument that "the tax payers" have to pay for what I do, yea well, considering that there is no proven link between lung cancer and Cannabis I would rather we let people smoke it then Tobacco, or drink themselves to death, or eat themselves to death, or sit on their asses and collect welfare.
The biggest problem we face today is getting over the falsehoods that the government, and those who refuse to do any actual research into the truth behind Cannabis have brought upon the millions of people in this country. It sure isn't the gods gift to humans, and it isn't for everyone but its damn better all around then the shit we have access to now.
^this
at eorbitalpaul citing a harvard economistSuicideSnowman
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You really have no clue what you're talking about.
SuicideSnowman
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If this isn't a troll, because I have a hard time believing it isn't, please enlighten me on what great things you've done with your life.
Who are you? are you famous? have i heard of you? Cure cancer yet?
If not than your achievements are as shallow and stupid as any other resource wasting hog of a human.
MolimOrion
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Looks like the "shot in the face" thing is gaining steam...mis-directed, but still 
Urshilikai
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I'm not saying cannabis breeds stupidity; on the contrary, when used in a specific fashion it can achieve something that nothing else can. I don't however stand for all the idiots who do it just to get high, escape from reality, because its cool, because it feels good, etc. I don't agree with killing one's brain without a good fucking reason is all.
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hananafafriski
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"marijuana and other drugs" to be legal? orly
and it said he was a "visiting professor"
so, whatever
and it said he was a "visiting professor"
so, whatever
Fooz said:
Urshilikai is something like 15 years old. He hasn't done shit with himself except maybe launch a newspaper on some old lady's doorstep. My contributions to society dwarf his in spite of my pot intake, as do those of any other person who actually works for a living. His entire point of view from the "contribution to society" angle is wholly irrelevant and ignorant.
Oh, and edit: I don't care what the Harvard economist says. It should be at the very least decriminalized on humanitarian grounds, as pot is just fine for those who are predisposed to be responsible already. It can be abused just like anything, but then it's not the drug, it's the person who sucks.
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Look I am not going to sit here and argue with you. It has been proven to NOT kill brain cells. I did not say, nor elude to there is no other brain related issues associated with smoking Cannabis, but Brain cell loss is NOT one of them.
There are multiple studies that refute that there is any sort of brain cell loss from consumption of cannabis. In fact there is synthetic cannaboid studies that are showing brain cell increase in tests. Now, of course these cannaboids are the same exact structure of those in Cannabis they do not prove cannabis itself will do the same thing, since you get a lot more chemicals when you smoke plant product.
I can sit here and play tag with you and find just as many studies that prove there is 0 brain cell loss (although, as the article present above says there is brain changes that happen to chronic smokers).
These types of changes also happen to alcoholics, so they really don't matter to me. Why? Because I am not a "chronic" smoker, just as I wouldn't be a "chronic drinker". Addicts will be addicts, and anything abused in high amounts will cause health problems. Even drinking too much water in a day can be bad for you cause the kidneys to processes impurities slower and leaving low salt concentrations in your blood.
Regardless, you have no right to tell me that I shouldn't smoke cannabis because you think you need a good reason for it. It's not your body, the same way I can't tell you not to eat McDonalds, or drink High sugar, sodium based sodas. Why? Because its your fucking choice.
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Urshilikai
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I love how I quoted about 8 different research studies which say the opposite, while you provided zero evidence for your claim. Try smoking less and thinking more
haniblecter
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THere is a VERY real difference from addictive drugs and non-addictive drugs.
Have you ever heard of someone stealing their mom's TV to pay for their pot or LSD addiction?
Have you been approached by an itching bum asking to bum money for gas, but really its to buy is next bong load?
No, you havent. Inexperienced people have no concept of the difference between 'hardcore' drugs and the rest.
Have you ever heard of someone stealing their mom's TV to pay for their pot or LSD addiction?
Have you been approached by an itching bum asking to bum money for gas, but really its to buy is next bong load?
No, you havent. Inexperienced people have no concept of the difference between 'hardcore' drugs and the rest.