Alec Baldwin just killed someone

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Fool said:
If I hire an expert CPA who screws up my taxes the IRS will still hold me accountable.
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:lol: Cute, but if you hire a bomb expert and they give you a bomb and tell you it's defunct, then you kill people with it, it's not your fault.
 
You think if I hired someone to make me a bomb and I used it to blow people up the "I didn't know it would do that" excuse would work?
 
Fool said:
You think if I hired someone to make me a bomb and I used it to blow people up the "I didn't know it would do that" excuse would work?
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No, I didn't say to make you a bomb. I said they're hired to be an bomb expert and they give you a bomb and say it's safe/defunct/inoperable. If anything bad happens with that bomb, it'll be their fault.

I'm unsure why people are having a hard time with common sense accountability here.
 
Well again, people who hire experts to do a job are culpable for those experts failures, at least to a degree. It's your responsibility to hire people who know what they're doing and ensure they follow procedure and safety protocols, carry proper insurance, etc. Cut corners, your fault period.
 
Well, I agree, to an extent (e.g.: knowing that the person isn't an expert, but hiring them anyway and hiding this fact), but some pink-haired chick who's the daughter of some veteran armorer isn't going to be considered "cutting corners."
 
JuggerNaught said:
that being the daughter of an armorer in no way makes you any kind of an expert, and is indeed cutting corners
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Yeah, that was my point. I just wanted to make sure. They're never going to admit that, especially since it's a woman.

There isn't much of a certified "expert" on guns. It's not like a degree, but experience matters. She's young. Can't have a whole lot.
 
Validuz said:
Yeah, that was my point. I just wanted to make sure. They're never going to admit that, especially since it's a woman.

There isn't much of a certified "expert" on guns. It's not like a degree, but experience matters. She's young. Can't have a whole lot.
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Yeah, there are armorer courses. In the military its an MOS, you go to actual armorer's school. Lots of different types of armorer's school. Most every manufacturer has an armorers school that gives certification
 
Not a good look.

Alec Baldwin used gun as 'a pointing stick' in 'Rust' set footage

In another clip from the movie set, Baldwin can be seen lying on the ground on his back and talking over his notes for a retake while gesturing with the gun.

“He’s using the weapon as a pointing stick, as his finger,” Carpenter said.

He added that Gutierrez-Reed should have talked to Baldwin and reminded him about not waving the gun around in the direction of others.

The “Rust” armorer, who was 24 at the time of the filming, instead instructs the rest of the crew to move out of “the path of the gun.”

Carpenter said it seemed that the rookie armorer was trying to avoid correcting the Hollywood star.

“She was attempting to not correct Mr. Baldwin, but to try to make the crew move in a more safe position,” he said.
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‘Rust’ armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed found guilty of involuntary manslaughter | Fox News

Alec Baldwin's 'Rust' armorer convicted of involuntary manslaughter
Hannah Gutierrez Reed faced involuntary manslaughter and evidence tampering charges in New Mexico 'Rust' trial
By Lauryn Overhultz , Tracy Wright Fox News
Published March 6, 2024 6:12pm EST
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Alec Baldwin indicted on two counts of involuntary manslaughter from ‘Rust’ set
Fox News’ Jonathan Hunt reports on Alec Baldwin's indictment in New Mexico in the fatal ‘Rust’ movie set shooting.

A jury on Wednesday found "Rust" armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed guilty of involuntary manslaughter in the death of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins.

The armorer was responsible for the gun that discharged a live bullet on the Western film set. Hutchins was in the line of fire when actor Alec Baldwin pulled the gun out of his holster on Oct. 21, 2021.

Gutierrez Reed was also found not guilty of evidence tampering, a charge she received in 2023 after investigators accused her of passing off a bag of cocaine on the day of the fatal set shooting.

The jury deliberated for less than three hours at the New Mexico courthouse. After the verdict was read, Judge Mary Marlowe Sommer ordered Gutierrez Reed be taken into custody, where she will remain until she is sentenced.

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Alec Baldwin and Hannah Gutierrez Reed side by side
Hannah Gutierrez Reed was charged with involuntary manslaughter for the fatal shooting of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on the set of the Alec Baldwin movie "Rust." (Getty Images)

"I'm going to remand you," Sommer told the courtroom. "The reason is you are now convicted, and this is a death." Gutierrez Reed was immediately taken into custody by deputies and awaits a sentencing date at the court's convenience.

She faces up to 18 months in prison, in addition to a $5,000 fine.

The armorer's trial, which began Feb. 21, saw testimony from weapons experts, FBI and Santa Fe County authorities and crew members who witnessed the fatal shooting.

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The prosecution largely focused on Gutierrez Reed's behavior as an armorer, claiming she didn't do her job correctly.

Rust armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed stands in court wearing black turtleneck
Hannah Gutierrez Reed listens to the verdict being read in her involuntary manslaughter case. (Courtesy: New Mexico Courts)

"Hannah Gutierrez knew that Baldwin was loose. She knew it," special prosecutor Kari Morrissey said during closing arguments. "She didn't do anything about it, even though it was her job. It was her job. It is her job to say to an A-list actor, if in fact, that's what you want to call him, 'Hey, you can't behave that way with those firearms.' That is her job. That is what they pay her for. That is the job that she applied for. That is the job that she accepted."

Gutierrez Reed's legal team had told the jury that the prosecution hadn't presented enough evidence to convict the armorer of involuntary manslaughter.

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"They can't come in here with a straight face and mock us and criticize us and tell you they have given you enough to convict her beyond a reasonable doubt because they haven't," Jason Bowles told the jury.

Hannah Gutierrez Reed sits in court
Hannah Gutierrez Reed. (New Mexico Courts)

Bowles claimed there were factors outside of Gutierrez Reed's control that occurred on set, leading to the fatal shooting.

"Whoever put the live round on set and then Mr. Baldwin, in the end, going off script and doing what he did," the lawyer said. "Those are outside events outside of Ms. Gutierrez Reed's control that she didn't know was going to happen."

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Hutchins died after being shot by a gun Baldwin was holding while staging a scene in a small church at Bonanza Creek Ranch in 2021. The jury heard testimony from director Joel Souza, who was shot in the shoulder during the tense moment.

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Hannah Gutierrez Reed appears visibly distressed when shown photos of Halyna Hutchins' gunshot wounds during her trial. (New Mexico Courts)

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Hannah Gutierrez Reed holds a gun on the set of "Rust." (New Mexico Courts)

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Hutchins and Souza were working behind the camera to stage the close-up scene when the gun the actor was holding discharged, killing the cinematographer.

"I went inside [the church] again to see, to try to see what the angle was. There were a lot of voices," Souza recalled during his testimony.

"I heard Alec's voice. I heard Halyna's voice, everyone sort of talking at once. I don't have a clear memory of how long I was standing behind her. I know I got up behind her to … try to see on the monitor, and there was an incredibly loud bang that was not like the half and quarter loads you hear on a set. Those are sort of, they're loud poofs and pops. This was deafening."

Joel Souza testifies during Rust trial
Joel Souza, the director of "Rust," was shot in the shoulder on the movie set. (New Mexico Courts)

At the hospital, Souza didn't even know he had been shot.

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"I knew something got me, but they kept saying — they kept talking about this bullet. And it just could not compute for me," he said. "I just kept saying, 'You don't understand. No, no, no. This was a movie set. You know, that's not possible. You don't get it.' And they kept saying, ‘No, no, it is.’ And I just keep insisting, 'You don't understand because this is not possible. It's just not possible that there's a live round. It's not. It just can't.'"
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She got sentenced to 18 months. Next will be AB's trial and I think he's going to get about the same. Then there will be the civil trials, where the family sues the production company or individuals.
 
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