Child gambling has quadrupled in the UK thanks to loot boxes

Well ok then.

Btw, you still didn't answer my question: do you think the current laws that prevent kids from gambling should be abolished? Based on the above statement, it sounds like you do.

You haven't answered the majority of my questions/responded in kind to the majority of my points because you're too busy here trying to ask 'gotcha' questions like some third rate cnn white house correspondent. You've done this same thing in EVERY thread your attempt to argue with others as it must be the only thing that makes you feel like you win an argument. I'm also not dumb enough to say specific words which your mind wants to hear in order to complete the picture of me you have in your head. you're going to fill them in regardless though.

ill say the magic words you want me to say if you admit your study proves my point about letting kids fuck up and realize what a waste this shit is instead of shifting it to adulthood. how you didn't leave this thread after so obviously fucking up reading one simple sentence shows the moral crusade you are attempting to be on and that you are oblivious to any actual reasoning in regards to this issue and instead, also evidenced by your posts arguing for interfering with private business and then the next post argue how you believe private business should be interfered with, that you are just another tyrant who wants things his way and his way only. the great thing is you fail to see the strings on your back.

i'll give BoB credit on that I don't agree with him but I'm overall fine with his argumentation at times. Yours is utter shit and I'm telling it to you for your own good as you convinced me to do the opposite by critically reading the crap argumentation you made, so maybe stop asking for change around non-npcs.
 
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Ama is the moral crusader, not you.

You've stated how they should catch up (a page ago I believe) and I argue it will not work in the least and very possibly, at least here in the US I dont know where you are, would be ruled unconstitutional as the courts may rule it as a security. who knows tho lets have someone sue EA et all in my jurisdiction I'm not opposed to.

this a can of worms being opened and going down paths via more so Ama's argumentation rather than yours (which I fundamentally disagree with less and more so for procedural grounds) results in outside industries being fucked.

a security are you serious

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i live in the guangdong region of mainland china and even i know how preposterous that sounds
 
a security are you serious

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i live in the guangdong region of mainland china and even i know how preposterous that sounds

so a package of unknown assets has no value? except in this case you can put range estimates on them. securities are exchanged in weird pursuits such as shipwreck diving, do the richfucks who put 10% on anything found get a remorse clause when they wind up with nothing despite having no guarantee of reward and even if stuff is found, maybe no real treasure?

things like (here in the usa they make a shit tv show about it) storage units that are in collections you just see the front of but don't know what's actually within and you are afforded the opportunity to bid - are the guys who sell them just facilitating gambling or is their fee they receive simply a brokerage fee?

im not even going to get into the art portion of this put 3d models are considered art in court i know that much so how the fuck does that than play into it.
 
so a package of unknown assets has no value? except in this case you can put range estimates on them. securities are exchanged in weird pursuits such as shipwreck diving, do the richfucks who put 10% on anything found get a remorse clause when they wind up with nothing despite having no guarantee of reward and even if stuff is found, maybe no real treasure?

things like (here in the usa they make a shit tv show about it) storage units that are in collections you just see the front of but don't know what's actually within and you are afforded the opportunity to bid - are the guys who sell them just facilitating gambling or is their fee they receive simply a brokerage fee?

im not even going to get into the art portion of this put 3d models are considered art in court i know that much so how the fuck does that than play into it.

um the contents of a lootbox are not unknown assets so the rest of what you said is completely irrelevant
 
oh so because you know what's in it it's not gambling you're just playing for the option to get an item cheaper than it's worth sort of like one of those nickle claw games at the front of a super market. we should probably ban them too cause kids have shit hand eye coordination and these robber barons prey on them.



can you explain the chinese and gambling tho? ive thought this microtransaction shit was designed to target them by artificially deflating the cost of entry since the market has less money and then abusing the fuck out of chinese beliefs in luck. if you're in the land of the dong perhaps you can enlighten me on it as i also have seen chinese guys with the long sharpened finger nail at poker tables.
 
You haven't answered the majority of my questions/responded in kind to the majority of my points because you're too busy here trying to ask 'gotcha' questions like some third rate cnn white house correspondent. You've done this same thing in EVERY thread your attempt to argue with others as it must be the only thing that makes you feel like you win an argument. I'm also not dumb enough to say specific words which your mind wants to hear in order to complete the picture of me you have in your head. you're going to fill them in regardless though.

ill say the magic words you want me to say if you admit your study proves my point about letting kids fuck up and realize what a waste this shit is instead of shifting it to adulthood. how you didn't leave this thread after so obviously fucking up reading one simple sentence shows the moral crusade you are attempting to be on and that you are oblivious to any actual reasoning in regards to this issue and instead, also evidenced by your posts arguing for interfering with private business and then the next post argue how you believe private business should be interfered with, that you are just another tyrant who wants things his way and his way only. the great thing is you fail to see the strings on your back.

i'll give BoB credit on that I don't agree with him but I'm overall fine with his argumentation at times. Yours is utter shit and I'm telling it to you for your own good as you convinced me to do the opposite by critically reading the crap argumentation you made, so maybe stop asking for change around non-npcs.
It says great things for your position when you refuse to answer a simple yes/no question and instead go into a three paragraph rant.

Let's hear it one more time for:

if anything ive become pro kids gambling in non-casino environments as I don't see any net negative.
 
oh so because you know what's in it it's not gambling you're just playing for the option to get an item cheaper than it's worth sort of like one of those nickle claw games at the front of a super market. we should probably ban them too cause kids have shit hand eye coordination and these robber barons prey on them.



can you explain the chinese and gambling tho? ive thought this microtransaction shit was designed to target them by artificially deflating the cost of entry since the market has less money and then abusing the fuck out of chinese beliefs in luck. if you're in the land of the dong perhaps you can enlighten me on it as i also have seen chinese guys with the long sharpened finger nail at poker tables.

claw games are skill oriented, you pay to play the game, not to win the prize. again, you fail at analogies.

we chinese love gambling and have been playing it since the year 1606 bc when chang zhedou was emperor of the songmoon dynasty. our favorite gambling game is called craps, in which a player rolls a pair of dice and bets on whether the roll will add up to 7 or "the snake's eyes", which is how we refer to a roll of two 1s. this was first played by confucius in 1562 bc during the reign of the huangzai dynasty.
 
the claw games are also pretty clearly rigged with jerky movements and that shit, not that I've played one since my last trip to virginia beach/jersey shore (forget which it would have been). all the various circus games i found enticing as a teen are just drunken novelties at this point since I see them as such and appropriately take from my entertainment budget if i choose to partake. no business stays afloat by giving the consumer even money odds on a product in this type of scheme and are afforded the opportunity to cover overhead (cheap in an online environment) and a profit. IDK what chinese regulations on profit taking is but in the USA it's uncapped. Given your polity I'm guessing your state could curb this much more easily and efficiently than ours.

we could also get into the same fight over whether poker is gambling or skill based and based on the degenerates I play against and considering they were essentially the only people I made money off of, are we arguing for consumer protections for the good of the people i.e. making sure those with false belief in themselves don't blow their savings or are we arguing for fraudulent misrepresentation of a product or a vehicle disguised as gambling? this argument has shifted back and forth several times this thread since the OP quite frankly doesn't even know what he is asking for other than a generic feeling of 'this doesn't seem right.'

loot boxes are just more easily controlled than a variety of circus game/securities brokering since a coder can just change ratios but doesn't make it any different depending on which lens you want to view it under, which makes this complex, but that same claw machine was similarly tampered with to be 'unfair' and for every 1% of people who can consistently beat the game, the other 99% will suffer financially. the longer one uncrates loot boxes the more likely they are to lose to an amount (if you set aside aesthetic reasons for these goods goods as well as collecting) approaching 100%, so are we simply arguing over a single percentage point? so again i must ask are we arguing for consumer protection from themselves (i.e. this isn't about kids but everyone) or are we seeking to broaden the definition of gambling to denote anything where the odds have been manipulated to give business the advantage on your average transaction? if not average..where do we draw the line? poker at LV casinos is about 7% winners (estimates vary in the single digit amounts), is that good enough?

also ty for chinese gambling lesson yeah craps is fun with the right friends i can see how that could hook a nation as it's hooked certain states over here like Louisiana.
 
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haha I can't argue with your specific anecdotes and believe you, but don't you think the business would not be able to stay afloat if they could make money greater than the cost of the product you are receiving and the cost to go around restocking as well fringe costs like fixing equipment? some product is extremely cheap especially overstock items and while it may have a facevalue determined to be say a 20 dollar apple charger, it's really a .50 cent knockoff that some guy was looking to move. if it cost .25 cent per play all it takes is two failures to make your money back, but to you if you try 5 times you fleeced the house as you got it for 1.25. it tricks you into thinking you are 'making' more money when really at best you are creating your own savings by getting access to pseudo wholesale prices, which there are similar tricks incorporated into games of chance. really it's a win win for both parties involved and even though the business doesn't like consistent people such as your friends, your friends unknowingly act as a lure for people of below average skill to try because they make it look so easy. should that type of manipulation be illegal and where do we draw the line?

a loot box looks akin to a hybrid scratch off/slot machine and uses many of the same psychological triggers but in practice is just a vehicle to keep certain items scarce and thus engage certain players (power users) to a greater level. even if you fixed prices of certain items that could still be very easily manipulated and what is being asked for isn't gambling regulation but market regulations on electronic items. also some people think its unfair to use gambling proven practices to entice users to go for one more chance but flashing lights, 'just' missing that ultra rare, and all that jazz is the basis of marketing for many industries. I despise marketers so I'm not opposed to it on that ground, but as it stands is totally fair play and just because it's dressed as gambling doesn't mean it is.

i gotta go do family stuff, get that we won't be able to properly come to a resolution (do believe we both think this should be tried in courts and also odds should be listed) but appreciate you not being a dipshit like Amadeus who just parrots arguments and wilts at the first sign of adversity.
 
it's hilarious watching two people concisely run circles around Esteban while he types a wall of autism

weird my rep doesn't think i'm being run circles around

also funny how you show up to defend amadeus when he is possibly the only person of lower debate ability than you on this forum. gotta keep someone around to take the heat off yourself?
 
weird my rep doesn't think i'm being run circles around

also funny how you show up to defend amadeus when he is possibly the only person of lower debate ability than you on this forum. gotta keep someone around to take the heat off yourself?

idgaf what u think lmao
 
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yea amadeus is annoying because he only gets outraged over video game stuff and probably doesn't really give a fuck about the moral side of this argument and just wants lootboxes gone in his videogames

however buying lootboxes with real money (e.g. converting cash into "gems") is gambling. microtransactions for defined pieces of content can be exploitative enough, but lootboxes crossed the line. not surprising that these shitty video game companies are fighting this so hard. lootboxes are $$$ and companies like EA, blizzard, etc are used to jerking customers around over service and getting away with it.
 
i gambled with crates in csgo and bet on matches while it was at its apex

there was an epsn docu on some retard kid who blew 10k on skins

i withdrew about $500 and used it to blow on a vacation
 
It's a little hard for me to label it gambling simply because the game designers aren't setting a value on the items, the community does. Developers only set the initial price and the rarity. The initial price is exactly the same for each item in the crate, and rarity doesn't always directly correlate to the eventual value. It's highly subjective. The company isn't rewarding money, other players are, and so it's easy to argue that it falls into a voluntary transaction between two people. There's no direct link between spend $1 and make $300? maybe. I could find dozens of rare items and never manage to sell them, or decide to keep them, in which case their value doesn't effectively change.

The only part of the whole thing I find truly shady is the developer taking a percentage of sell prices instead of a flat rate.
 
it's hilarious watching two people concisely run circles around Esteban while he types a wall of autism

only thing worth saying on forum is:

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