Child gambling has quadrupled in the UK thanks to loot boxes

Kinder surprises chocolate is hella good

When I was a kid u got to build the toys and shit but it looks like they're already assembled and very (for kinder surprise toys standards) simple nowadays
 
ArakAtak said:
Holy crap - I did not know that :rofl:

Land of the free, and the gluttonous kids.

banned for all the wrong reasons
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hey man a couple kids died eating them i can google you a study or two that says small things near food will have kids dying so we pre-empted it by banning them. our education system is so shit we probably offset the amount of kids killed by school shootings so really its a net gain

really tho their banning stems from wording of regulation that is meant to keep companies from pumping shit with sawdust in order to seem like you're getting more, for example, and instead you wind up with kinder eggs also banned which people further justify by pointing at the dozen dead commonwealth/EU kids as further example as they should stay banned.

Kinder needs to drop a couple mill on lobbyists if they want access to choking our kids to death like a true American company would do.
 
im late to this thread but im guessing its got a few "newsflash: bizness like to make $" apologist tards?
 
Esteban_Villa said:
i disagree

the entire facade around loot boxes are. ALMOST hitting that big rare one. the actual spinning of it to pretend its chance and not determined the minute you execute the transaction.

electronic items have value though. loot boxes can not be cart blanched classed as gambling as these items are subject to market demands, and particularly items that are readily perceived as perfromance enhancing if you look at some users engaging in sport. which is video games a sports? i dont think so but many do. the can of worms being opened is tremendous and people fail to realize this in their emotional hubris
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it's an electronic slot machine. i don't get your point. you pay for a chance to win, the exact same as an electronic slot machine at the bar. there's no difference whether the win is decided the moment you pull the lever or the moment it starts spinning or two hours before, the point is you have no way of knowing.

as for market value, i don't see what difference that makes. the market value of a us dollar changes over time too.

edit: the can of worms is that slot machines and software designed to function exactly like slot machines should be treated by the law as slot machines. should casinos be able to dodge gambling laws by putting their slot machines in computers and having them payout tokens tradeable for cash rather than actual cash? oh wait
 
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I mean if you want to get existential everything is tradable for cash, it's just is the one coin from a slot machine worth more for scrap metal or some authority that chooses to give you 1 dollar for each one?. You get something useful or neat every time with lootboxes. Just because the contract executor doesnt believe it is there is someone out there who wants it for artistic purposes, season reasons, collections, speculations. If kinder surprise started putting a 1oz gold toy in every 10,000 of them are they now a scratch off ticket? Was willy Wonka a crooked man who put golden tickets in his chocolate to boost sales. He should probably go to jail cause the fat kid clearly going to die early in his pursuit for the ticket.

If you ban loot boxes which there are several variations, why can't publishers just put pay to win items in them instead of cosmetic ones, claim their game is an esport, and better equipment can't be made illegal. There are a dozen ways they can come up with some jew argumentation.

Really this comes down how one believes electronic items should be treated. I went thru my phase as a 14 yo tryna collect e items then realized it was a fleet race that would never end. No one has responded to mine or others arguments in how this causes 0 actual damage to a kid and a parent is the best course for solving this without opening up a can of worms that starts to touch say bitcoin as you give the courts aka some 80 yo fuck the ability to make internet wide rulings.

Edit - well amadeus did respond to my dissertation by misinterpreting a study by spending t minutes googling someone his limited critical reading ability thought fit his cause

emotionally I get where you dipshits are coming from but that's never the reason to do anything
 
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Esteban_Villa said:
I mean if you want to get existential everything is tradable for cash, it's just is the one coin from a slot machine worth more for scrap metal or some authority that chooses to give you 1 dollar for each one?. You get something useful or neat every time with lootboxes. Just because the contract executor doesnt believe it is there is someone out there who wants it for artistic purposes, season reasons, collections, speculations. If kinder surprise started putting a 1oz gold toy in every 10,000 of them are they now a scratch off ticket? Was willy Wonka a crooked man who put golden tickets in his chocolate to boost sales. He should probably go to jail cause the fat kid clearly going to die early in his pursuit for the ticket.

If you ban loot boxes which there are several variations, why can't publishers just put pay to win items in them instead of cosmetic ones, claim their game is an esport, and better equipment can't be made illegal. There are a dozen ways they can come up with some jew argumentation.

Really this comes down how one believes electronic items should be treated. I went thru my phase as a 14 yo tryna collect e items then realized it was a fleet race that would never end. No one has responded to mine or others arguments in how this causes 0 actual damage to a kid and a parent is the best course for solving this without opening up a can of worms that starts to touch say bitcoin as you give the courts aka some 80 yo fuck the ability to make internet wide rulings.

Edit - well amadeus did respond to my dissertation by misinterpreting a study by spending t minutes googling someone his limited critical reading ability thought fit his cause

emotionally I get where you dipshits are coming from but that's never the reason to do anything
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if i built a quarter slot machine that always pays out at least a penny, is that gambling?

spending money for a random chance at a monetary or equivalent payout is gambling. it is the definition of gambling. whether you call it a lottery or a slot machine or a loot box, the fact that there's a non-unique baseline payout less than equivalent to the cost of the initial spin does not exempt it from that definition.

gambling laws exist, among other reasons, in order to prevent people who cannot rationally process that loss from engaging in behavior that is going to be inherently harmful to them. i'm not saying loot boxes should be banned. idgaf what idiots want to spend their money on. i'm just saying that if you as a nation have seen fit to enact laws regulating gambling, you should apply those laws equally regardless of format.

i don't understand why you think enforcing laws on a rational basis based on what they were intended to prevent is "emotional reasoning". it's starting to seem like you possibly don't even comprehend the arguments at hand, because your posts take about three times the necessary verbiage to get across your points.
 
bowl of blood said:
i don't understand why you think enforcing laws on a rational basis based on what they were intended to prevent is "emotional reasoning". it's starting to seem like you possibly don't even comprehend the arguments at hand, because your posts take about three times the necessary verbiage to get across your points.
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It's becoming pretty clear that EV is incapable of engaging in a real discussion instead of just lashing out at his pre-constructed strawmen.

Idk if he does it on purpose, but it doesn't really matter. I'm just about ready to put him next to Tele on the list of people not worth responding to. You just can't pierce his bubble.
 
people who say enforce the law i have no issue with - legally this is a very complex issue and putting it in court will help to solve the nuances of this issue rather than rapid legislation targeting...what? the 1994 firearms legislation banned specific scary items like the AUG/FAL/AK, are we just banning scary specific items that can be pretty readily rebranded in an electronic age? how do we go about rationally banning or as you just said lets just enforce the law and see if the law holds water.

also no gambling is the act when the house takes a cut per the majority of state laws which the feds base their prosecutions partly off of. i know of weird workarounds like in texas people were obliged to 'buy a seat' to play poker or how proceeds go to charity in several states...charities sometimes owned by the same owners of the poker establishment. how do we differentiate the video game company as a brokerage firm for these transactions as they monopolize supply. how is a brokerage firm selling options not gambling? Robinhood is some shit app that is actually incorporating cards and achievements and having you directly invest in stocks on a micro level. Really they cut the fees tremenedously if all you have is like 500 bucks but are they now sick fucks for attaching card collecting and achievement hunting to stocks turning it into a game? when does game become gambling as i risked 2 hours of hunting for that ultra rare pokemon and instead all i got was a some pigeons that has only .02 cents of value on the open market.

really i keep saying the same shit over and over again at this point and aside from atreides who i will try to remember to respond to this week this shit has been beaten to death and no one has quantified how this differentiates from most pursuits that have an overall slight negative return. further if anything ive become pro kids gambling in non-casino environments as I don't see any net negative. never thought i would think thate but amadeus particularly with his misinterpretation of studies and circular reasoning, and 'do this not that but i dont know how law really works' responses shows this issue is more of an issue for adults who feel shitty about an issue, as i said in like my 2nd post i do too, but the more i think about it the more i don't give a shit. whether its problem loot boxes, problem cigarettes, problem car part buyers, problem upholstery refinishing; these all fine on a spectrum where some at least give you a skill afterwards while others just suck the life out of you. to me dumping money onto e-shit is right there on the line where given you aren't hurting yourself or others (no financially isn't a valid reason or else you open the door to every capitalist endeavor getting sued for buyers remorse) so why should the state legislate it? in the end the disclosure of mark up as all retailers do would cause most peoples head to spin as they 'feel' ripped off that 8 cent soda being sold for 1.79 doesn't feel right when it perfectly is as they paid for it denoting they're ok with the price (in my world anyways)


o and yeah they should disclose odds given they fix them but only from a market transaction sense not a scratchoff sense. it wouldn't stop the actual problem loot box openers but what amadeus and ilk suggest isn't as much as stopping the actual problem but about feeling good they did something
 
Amadeus said:
It's becoming pretty clear that EV is incapable of engaging in a real discussion instead of just lashing out at his pre-constructed strawmen.

Idk if he does it on purpose, but it doesn't really matter. I'm just about ready to put him next to Tele on the list of people not worth responding to. You just can't pierce his bubble.
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You are so cocksure of yourself to the point you find studies that at a glance support your argumentation but upon not being intelligent enough to actually comprehend the wording didn't realize this study did not actually support your argumentation in the least and lightly supported mine.

You project your own faults onto me just as you project your own opinions onto kids with the rallying cry of 'think of the children,' the same cry used to restrict the majority of rights here in America as you look for your own (again self projecting) strawman AAA company smoking cigar exec picking kids up and shaking their lunch money out of their pocket as if other industries don't engage in the same practice, not understanding you are arguing for the bubble society so many have agreed to enter.

I only respond to you to flesh out my own logical processes on this issue as I didn't have much of one aside from 'yeah this is gambling like and i would tell a niece or nephew they're stupid if they buy e-shit but why should it be banned it we already have laws on the book?' then you argued so piss poorly if anything im pro loot boxes now LOL. maybe you should work on your 'neural processes' but of course over 3 or 4 threads over the last 2 months you've had your ass handed to you when you strip away the feels so I don't fault you for no longer responding and licking your wounds. the majority of the people on the front page held similar opinions regarding 'well test the law but in the end let kids realize how stupid this is' and you and BoB make classic arguments as 'conservatives believe more focus should be spent on grooming gangs rather than this issue because this issue truly affects kids not 12 year olds sucking paki cock for cigarettes' (post 21, translated)

In the end I have told where I would be willing to compromise, state the odds and I do firmly believe this should be argued in court. You have been unable to state any coherent argument how this is illegal, yet use vague terminology that would get destroyed in court suchas "modern technology." BoB at least tries to but uses self affirming logic via statements such as 'its transparently gambling' despite not understanding legal definitions of gambling.

Feel free to go back to wherever you picked up this moral outrage piece from (reddit im guessing?) where you guys do such effective stock manipulation like droping EA shares 10-20% (not that it wasn't just manipulated for certain people to buy new stock cheaper, no it was the reddit outrage machine) only to have it be much higher one year later. I and others here understand you are the type who is spoon fed opinions and have no ability to critically read as evidenced by your little study posted as well as now 3/4th thread where your primary debate tactic is to ask bait questions to one para instead of responding point by point, holistically, or even to just one para. It's obvious to the point that again, I post to give myself my own intellectual exercise not to believe I would ever change your mind. Would you be mad if I called you a NPC or is that another strawman when the shoe fits?
 
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Esteban_Villa said:
people who say enforce the law i have no issue with - legally this is a very complex issue and putting it in court will help to solve the nuances of this issue rather than rapid legislation targeting...what? the 1994 firearms legislation banned specific scary items like the AUG/FAL/AK, are we just banning scary specific items that can be pretty readily rebranded in an electronic age? how do we go about rationally banning or as you just said lets just enforce the law and see if the law holds water.

also no gambling is the act when the house takes a cut per the majority of state laws which the feds base their prosecutions partly off of. i know of weird workarounds like in texas people were obliged to 'buy a seat' to play poker or how proceeds go to charity in several states...charities sometimes owned by the same owners of the poker establishment. how do we differentiate the video game company as a brokerage firm for these transactions as they monopolize supply. how is a brokerage firm selling options not gambling? Robinhood is some shit app that is actually incorporating cards and achievements and having you directly invest in stocks on a micro level. Really they cut the fees tremenedously if all you have is like 500 bucks but are they now sick fucks for attaching card collecting and achievement hunting to stocks turning it into a game? when does game become gambling as i risked 2 hours of hunting for that ultra rare pokemon and instead all i got was a some pigeons that has only .02 cents of value on the open market.

really i keep saying the same shit over and over again at this point and aside from atreides who i will try to remember to respond to this week this shit has been beaten to death and no one has quantified how this differentiates from most pursuits that have an overall slight negative return. further if anything ive become pro kids gambling in non-casino environments as I don't see any net negative. never thought i would think thate but amadeus particularly with his misinterpretation of studies and circular reasoning, and 'do this not that but i dont know how law really works' responses shows this issue is more of an issue for adults who feel shitty about an issue, as i said in like my 2nd post i do too, but the more i think about it the more i don't give a shit. whether its problem loot boxes, problem cigarettes, problem car part buyers, problem upholstery refinishing; these all fine on a spectrum where some at least give you a skill afterwards while others just suck the life out of you. to me dumping money onto e-shit is right there on the line where given you aren't hurting yourself or others (no financially isn't a valid reason or else you open the door to every capitalist endeavor getting sued for buyers remorse) so why should the state legislate it? in the end the disclosure of mark up as all retailers do would cause most peoples head to spin as they 'feel' ripped off that 8 cent soda being sold for 1.79 doesn't feel right when it perfectly is as they paid for it denoting they're ok with the price (in my world anyways)


o and yeah they should disclose odds given they fix them but only from a market transaction sense not a scratchoff sense. it wouldn't stop the actual problem loot box openers but what amadeus and ilk suggest isn't as much as stopping the actual problem but about feeling good they did something
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i don't think anyone's a sick fuck, and i don't get where you're coming from with this moral angle. i think laws should be enforced, and that in this particular case law enforcement has fallen behind a new frontier of crime, and that it is time they catch up. the end.
 
Esteban_Villa said:
if anything ive become pro kids gambling in non-casino environments as I don't see any net negative.
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Well ok then.

Btw, you still didn't answer my question: do you think the current laws that prevent kids from gambling should be abolished? Based on the above statement, it sounds like you do.
 
bowl of blood said:
i don't think anyone's a sick fuck, and i don't get where you're coming from with this moral angle. i think laws should be enforced, and that in this particular case law enforcement has fallen behind a new frontier of crime, and that it is time they catch up. the end.
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Ama is the moral crusader, not you.

You've stated how they should catch up (a page ago I believe) and I argue it will not work in the least and very possibly, at least here in the US I dont know where you are, would be ruled unconstitutional as the courts may rule it as a security. who knows tho lets have someone sue EA et all in my jurisdiction I'm not opposed to.

this a can of worms being opened and going down paths via more so Ama's argumentation rather than yours (which I fundamentally disagree with less and more so for procedural grounds) results in outside industries being fucked.
 
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