Lord of the nerds

One question I always had was why humans and elves turned into pussies after the 1st age. I mean, Finwe (I think) took on Morgoth, Saurons master, one on one in mortal combat and almost beat the fucker.

Then you had Beren who snuck into Angband and boosted a silmaril from the same guy.

Now either they were badasses in the 1st age, or Morgoth should have gotten the beatdown from Sauron for being a moron.
 
I would say the eagles of manwe only interfere directly in a balancing roll. The eagles are basically the tool of the gods. They could interfere directly and solve the whole sauron problem, but what is the fun in that. They'd rather just lend a helping hand and balance the scales from time to time.
Fling :D
 
Swensonator said:
One question I always had was why humans and elves turned into pussies after the 1st age. I mean, Finwe (I think) took on Morgoth, Saurons master, one on one in mortal combat and almost beat the fucker.

Then you had Beren who snuck into Angband and boosted a silmaril from the same guy.

Now either they were badasses in the 1st age, or Morgoth should have gotten the beatdown from Sauron for being a moron.
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he also got smacked the fuck down (finwe, that is) beren was a legend, but sauron was always ALWAYS morgoths bitch
 
Kurayami said:
Wait.
You're saying that it's impossible for anyone to destroy the ring?
I assumed that Frodo couldn't because he had been exposed to it for so long.
But you're saying that it's so seductive that nobody could destroy it willingly?

That is awesome. A suitably dark vision.
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right, no one could destroy it.

throughout the story you see if affect frodo. the length of time messes you up worse but ultimately no one could destroy it willingly.

the ring wouldn't let you.

the hobbits seem to be pretty resilient to its evil as biblo gives it up, as frodo continues to keep it and how sam doesn't take it from frodo... well not by force.... but gives it back to frodo.

which is why there's a scene in the movie that is a bit off: when boromir picks it up and hands it back to frodo... that wouldn't have happened.
 
Pagy said:
anyone near the ring wants the ring... good or bad. if you didn't know they had the ring, you wouldn't know what you wanted... just imagine it has this evil magic aura.

the books have a few examples of this, like bilbo finding it in a matter of moments in darkness...

the eagle would have taken the ring... the ring wouldn't let itself be hidden. like i was trying to explain, the ring is actually a character int he story.
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Yes the ring is a character but it is also part of sauron essence hence why he needs it to become whole again.
 
Kurayami said:
Is Sam mentally slow?

Because I distinctly get that impression.

I actually own both LotR and the Silmarillion, but I've never gotten around to reading it all.



Also, why doesn't Agent Smith just kill the dude from Gondor that refused to destroy the ring?
That would have saved a lot of trouble.
And one whiny douchebag prince dying beats millions.
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Sam is not slow, the character was naive and innocent as a child.
 
Kurayami said:
Cool. I really should read the books. Tolkien seems to draw from a lot of history/myths.

What is the difference between Gray Gandalf and White Gandalf?
I mean
I realize that he supposedly dies in the battle with the fire dude
But why is he stronger?
And why does he forget his name?
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The color represent levels in the order... before grey he was brown and I am not sure what other levels there are. Brown deals with animals and plants apparentl this is how he can communicate with the moth and eagles.
 
Yakuza said:
The color represent levels in the order... before grey he was brown and I am not sure what other levels there are. Brown deals with animals and plants apparentl this is how he can communicate with the moth and eagles.
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no.

radagast was 'the brown' and also looked down upon because of his affinity with animals
 
Swensonator said:
One question I always had was why humans and elves turned into pussies after the 1st age. I mean, Finwe (I think) took on Morgoth, Saurons master, one on one in mortal combat and almost beat the fucker.

Then you had Beren who snuck into Angband and boosted a silmaril from the same guy.

Now either they were badasses in the 1st age, or Morgoth should have gotten the beatdown from Sauron for being a moron.
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the old school elves were pretty badass, like slaying balrogs and shit.

one can assume the later generations weren't as powerful as the originals.
 
Al'Muktar said:
no.

radagast was 'the brown' and also looked down upon because of his affinity with animals
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No he was looked down apon because he was lower in thier class structure.
Had his story been expanded apon I would be willing to bet he would have taken on the grey mantle.
 
Al'Muktar said:
he also got smacked the fuck down (finwe, that is) beren was a legend, but sauron was always ALWAYS morgoths bitch
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True, but then you have stuff like Elves taking on Balrogs one on one, Turin killing Glaurung, Feanor and a few elves taking on a force of Balrogs, Sauron getting fucked up by a dog and such

After the war of wrath everyone just kinda.... dies or pussies out.
 
Pagy said:
the old school elves were pretty badass, like slaying balrogs and shit.

one can assume the later generations weren't as powerful as the originals.
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Right. Their weariness and waning power is something I can distinctly recall being mentioned several times, and part of their drive to head back into the west.
 
Yakuza said:
The color represent levels in the order... before grey he was brown and I am not sure what other levels there are. Brown deals with animals and plants apparentl this is how he can communicate with the moth and eagles.
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There were five wizards in middle earth at the time. Saruman the white, Gandalf the Grey, Radagast the brown and two blue guys that never even appeared in the books. The relative strength goes from white being the strongest to the weakest, blue.
 
Hurricane Harold said:
Right. Their weariness and waning power is something I can distinctly recall being mentioned several times, and part of their drive to head back into the west.
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Ah yes, I think you're right. That explains a lot. It's been a couple years since I read the Silmarillion. I'll have to pick it up again.
 
Yakuza said:
No he was looked down apon because he was lower in thier class structure.
Had his story been expanded apon I would be willing to bet he would have taken on the grey mantle.
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among the maiar, perhaps

but out of the 5 istari, 2 fucked off 'eastwards' and the only ones we know about are gandalf, saruman and radagast

and, brother, saruman hated radagast, thought he was retarded
 
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