They are not quests...

To be fair though all the 3A titles you speak of have zero innovation and simply polishing the fuck out of an already present genre/game-type.

You don't have to be innovative to be good.

I don't get the mentality that a company has to reinvent the wheel every development cycle just to be considered a quality game producer.

And this from the same people who clamored for "Tribes with better graphics" for the better part of a decade...
 
Happy can't hang with the GD trolls so he has to get his troll jollies down here in the lower sub-forums shitting on a massively popular (like record shattering) game by a developer with a long history of polished AAA titles.

That's a special kind of troll right there.

fyi i think wow is the best mmo ever made. by your logic that must mean its perfect and immune to all criticism
 
Like, say, chess.

chess AI is not basic, at least not computationally.

the AI to kill mobs in wow requires like 5 lines of code. if they just exposed mob/player coordinates and player movement functions through lua you'd have an addon written overnight that could play the game 100% including raids and arena (and get rank1).
 
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Carbonite


QH is way better, you just can't be a retard.

Sorry, but Carbonite is MUCH better then QH and uses a LOT less resources. The only thing i miss from qh is that it would map out the best route to do the quests you currently had. but i started getting major wholes when i got to northrend in QH that i didn't have in Carbonite. Plus, the map replacement that carbonite offers is much better as it will highlight a full area of where certain npc's are you might be searching for. or if an npc patrols that area, it will highlight the whole area.

I used questhelper exclusively until i found Carbonite. Once i figured out how to use it, i immediately deleted QH and my frames have thanked me for it. My friends have also completely removed QH and installed Carbonite.
 
Weird, I've never needed a mod for quest grinding, and I have 5 alts.
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Quest Helper = Tells you what to do, where to do it, etc. It's based on another person's recommendations (though with QH you are free to make your own quest helper files).

Carbonite = You pick up quests, and colored Xs or blobs appear on your minimap showing you where you need to go to get the quest done. Mob tooltips are also labeled with said quest to assure you're hunting the right mobs
 
i wouldnt be suprised if they make an addon like qh and deadlybossmods for arena telling you where to move and what to cast on who and when lol. 1st place ovanitemirite?! :D
 
It depends on how you see quests and the lvl grind i suppose.

If youre just interested in end gear content you kinda rush through the quests, anything that helps speed up the process is good then. Its my view on this. Normally when/if (atm i can't be aresed to twink) I lvl up my second char I take a more closer look on the quest, admiring it more.

And for wotlk they have improved much on the quests. The whole wrathgate storyline, or that interesting stuff in Grizzlyhills with the lumberjacks/wolve story is fun. Griftah sends you around, you escort a bunny (which should not go towards the light), you see the westfall people again. Great fun.
 
And for wotlk they have improved much on the quests. The whole wrathgate storyline, or that interesting stuff in Grizzlyhills with the lumberjacks/wolve story is fun. Griftah sends you around, you escort a bunny (which should not go towards the light), you see the westfall people again. Great fun.

To be fair, the Horde side is a bit more boring than Alliance. As well I'm disappointed with the Wrathgate event. Having played Horde first I loved how it all panned out but I wondered what became of Putress. But I figured on Alliance side maybe some insurgent Forsaken had attacked SW and you had to fight your way to the city to rescue someone and take it back and Wyrnn declares war on the Horde. Disappointment came when I played the alliance side of the event and found it simply to be a piggy-back of the Horde one. I would have liked to have seeing something along the lines of an event more independent from the Horde event.
 
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I understood what you said, I just think a WoW bot without much situation-specific knowledge isn't going to play WoW any better than a simple chess program will play chess. Anyway, it's a silly thing to have an argument about. I think we all agree that there's not the same depth of skill or personal style in WoW as there is in something like Tribes.
 
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Hmm...

I just start out doing all the Borean Tundra quests. Then hop over and do just the Kalu'ak quests in the Fjord. I'm usually 73 by then. I hit up DB for the Wrathgate line and the rest of the Kalu'ak quests. That gets me to Revered, and level 74. I fiddle around in ZD until 75 (kill Thrym!), then I go to Sholazar and do everything. There's enough there to get me about half way through 78. Finish up in Icecrown opening up all the phased areas.

Then at 80 I can go back and do Sons of Hodir and Wyrmrest rep at my leisure. What sort of path do you guys take?
 
when the xpack launched I did 70-80 in about 4 days

thus I have no desire to ever go back and do those quests again

I did every quest in both starting zones, then did dragonblight -> grizzly hills -> ZD, never did anything in icecrown/basin/stormpeaks
 
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I use QuestHelper with the pathfinding shit turned off. I just use it to show me the areas where quests are (War has this built in). Carbonite has too many other things and I couldn't get it configured to do the one thing I wanted it to do and nothing else.
 
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I use QuestHelper with the pathfinding shit turned off. I just use it to show me the areas where quests are. Carbonite has too many other things and I couldn't get it configured to do the one thing I wanted it to do and nothing else.

Yeah the only thing I don't like about Carbonite is the "Punk" tab. I have no idea WTF it is or what criteria is used to make up that list or even how to get rid of it. But it's a minor irritation compared to the mappy goodness it provides.

Then at 80 I can go back and do Sons of Hodir and Wyrmrest rep at my leisure. What sort of path do you guys take?

I did basically started in Fjord, did quests there until I hit the lore achievement, then moved over to Tundra and did the same. After that I did all of Dragonblight then I think I bounced to Grizzly Hills and did the same for achievement. After that I went to Grizzly hills and did that to achievement and ultimately dinged 80 halfway through Zul'Drak. I could have leveled faster I'm sure but I knew in the end the Storm Peaks/Icecrown quests would be worth a lot more gold once I hit 80.
 
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Yeah the only thing I don't like about Carbonite is the "Punk" tab. I have no idea WTF it is or what criteria is used to make up that list or even how to get rid of it. But it's a minor irritation compared to the mappy goodness it provides.

Yeah, except I don't want ANY of it's extra features. I don't want to map replaced with some kind of wierd zoomy thing. I don't want the default quest tracker replaced. I just want the areas/locations for quests shown on the minimap and default world map. Nothing else.
 
Quest Helper = Tells you what to do, where to do it, etc. It's based on another person's recommendations (though with QH you are free to make your own quest helper files).

Carbonite = You pick up quests, and colored Xs or blobs appear on your minimap showing you where you need to go to get the quest done. Mob tooltips are also labeled with said quest to assure you're hunting the right mobs

Have you even used QH? It isn't "based on someone else's recommendations," it is based on locations where quest items drop. It also marks your map with mob locations and puts up big glowy areas over every part of the zone the particular mob is found in. It also modifies your tooltips in the way you described.

I swear you just make shit up every time before you post. I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't even have a WoW account.
 
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