after reading this thread in its entirity i find that anyone who has been a part of the tw community for longer than a year agrees on no turtle. and most of the members that are posting (in less than inteligable english) are favoring turtle tactics.
i find it interesting that the people who have played and enjoyed the tribes franchise for up to 7 years are having thier opinions trashed by people who think they know better.
coming from a management standpoint, this sounds like the classical newschool vs. oldschool argument. however there is a glaring difference. nothing has changed significantly enough to bring about a newschool.
turtleing was, is and always will be complete fa66otry done by newbies who cant duel themselves out of a paper bag. teams have and will continue to, lose the flag in standoffs due to lack of coordinated defence.
g4y tactics should be used where winning matters, not where fun matters.
for anyone who thinks that turtleing is fun, you should also try these hom0 tactics in pubs:
-tank on flag
-burner turret d
-snipe o
-6 man farmer d
-feel free to add more, im sure you'll discover all the newberific tactics that t:v has to offer.
as for me, ill be playing on 5150 east3 or whatever west coast server pops up as the new stackeasy.net from the good old b++days of t2
*edit* gah, silly tt rewording my stuff.