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41 - 10-06-2013, 15:14
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i've been all over the world and I think that many places have a better work/life balance than the US. European holidays and maternity/paternity benefits make us look like god damned china. I got myself into a position where I'm not personally a wage slave, but I was for a long time. 3-4 weeks vacation a year if you're lucky, ****ty benefits, long hours. Is a country like Germany where they can take off 2 months a year minimum really that worse off than us? They seem ok and they have healthcare, right? They still have a pretty robust manufacturing economy and a lower standard deviation in distribution of wealth. It sounds ok to me on paper.

My friend works in Geneva right now and he is not short on disposable income. He actually has more than me. He just had a baby and he gets actual paid paternity leave and his wife can take almost a year of maternity leave at 80-100% pay. He has taken almost 3 months of vacation this year. His health benefits are perfect and he works reasonable hours. So, it looks great on paper.

Why don't we have that or want that? Is Switzerland worse off than us economically? Is Germany?

I'm at an age where I appreciate some work/life balance. I paid my dues in my 20s and I want to actually live my life and not my job. If that means, somehow, I can't go out and buy a 3rd car or something, well **** that's a small price to pay
 
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I don't want poor people having better health care than me and that doesn't cost them a cent. I want them to suffer, starve, and die. If you don't want to be a contributing factor in society then you can get ****ed.
 
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you know they already have that, right? poor people get medicaid and they have awesome coverage. I know because I used to get when I was growing up as a po' kid.
 
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my premiums went up quite a bit last year...and they blamed that on the act...which hadn't even taken affect. p dumb
 
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I meant better than me and edited the post to reflect that.
 
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i am pretty sure they have better than you. i had basically nothing out of pocket including copays. I only paid for pharmacy.
 
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I know. I don't want them having that. I find it makes most people ungrateful and sets them with a poor concept of expectations. I'll concede that not everyone is like that, but I am seeing it more every single day I go to work.
 
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they do expect it and when they get jobs they keep them off the books in a lot of cases to keep their free ****. the system is abused. however i don't think this AHCA changes it. I'm talking to people on medicaid now I know because they qualify due to income. they have better coverage than ME and I pay for top tier coverage. They say if the AHCA goes through they will pay the fine and try and keep their state coverage (fine is like $300 right?) because its so much better than the plans they can buy through the AHCA.
 
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The current plan has resulted in me losing my insurance that I've paid for to cover myself under my employer. I had really good health insurance, and I paid something like $60-$90 per month (dependant on how many paychecks I earned per month), it was reasonable, affordable, and wasn't something I had to fret over, it was there when I needed it.

I legitimately want to keep my insurance; but it's not an option. (Yes, Obama blanketedly stated that if I had insurance I wouldn't lose it; he ****ing lied) I don't want government money subsidizing my insurance whether or not I qualify for subsidization or not, I want affordable insurance, my employer provided that, I was happy with that outfit, now I'm being told I have to get this public exchange bull****, and it ****ing sucks.

Self reliance and being responsible for yourself and your family is what matters. Sorry, but if you can't be responsible for yourself or your family - then get ****ed. Survival of the fittest, if you think someone with 12 ****ing kids and think the government owes them a dime, and that if we 'help' these people that they'll be model outstanding citizens and give two ****s about what they can or will contribute to the system is going to suddenly make them responsible and contribute anything back - you are sorely mistaken.

There is a clear divide when it comes to people that are in a rough spot, and people that just don't give two ****s about even trying. There are no exceptions, blacks, whites, hispanics, it doesn't matter. You keep giving them handouts and they will continue taking handouts until you either cut them off or the source runs dry.

This kind of system will inevitably result in further restrictions, because as soon as we all get hooked on government handouts, the government will start deciding what we cannot do - we'll start deciding what you cannot eat or drink, whether or not you can legally smoke, we'll start mandating that your BMI be within a certain range. We'll start skirting civil liberties in favor of what's good for 'everyone'.
 
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I don't get to know until the end of October.

I fully expect my costs to go up.
 
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i've been all over the world and I think that many places have a better work/life balance than the US. European holidays and maternity/paternity benefits make us look like god damned china. I got myself into a position where I'm not personally a wage slave, but I was for a long time. 3-4 weeks vacation a year if you're lucky, ****ty benefits, long hours. Is a country like Germany where they can take off 2 months a year minimum really that worse off than us? They seem ok and they have healthcare, right? They still have a pretty robust manufacturing economy and a lower standard deviation in distribution of wealth. It sounds ok to me on paper.

My friend works in Geneva right now and he is not short on disposable income. He actually has more than me. He just had a baby and he gets actual paid paternity leave and his wife can take almost a year of maternity leave at 80-100% pay. He has taken almost 3 months of vacation this year. His health benefits are perfect and he works reasonable hours. So, it looks great on paper.

Why don't we have that or want that? Is Switzerland worse off than us economically? Is Germany?

I'm at an age where I appreciate some work/life balance. I paid my dues in my 20s and I want to actually live my life and not my job. If that means, somehow, I can't go out and buy a 3rd car or something, well **** that's a small price to pay
It is amazing how the extreme right will try to sell us on the fact that the status quo is so awesome here in the US.
 
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but we got dem freeedums

except we live in a nanny state that is monitoring all our private communications and has been quoted as saying we need to surrender some of our rights in the name of security. security against imagined or manufactured threats.

but i mean lol europe right they have all those taxes and bureaucracy.
 
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Responsible people who take care of their health and choose not to pay health insurance premiums and also save their money end up having emergency funds for the rainy day.
yes, which is why people who get cancer just because humans have a tendendy to get cancer are just shockingly irresponsible and should get everything they deserve, including losing everything they've worked their whole lives for (even with insurance)

that's nonsense

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You want to know why it doesn't work? It is because people do not really love their fellow man and when opportunity arises many people take advantage of their fellow man. Thus all people like you do is empower corruption no matter how noble the rhetoric and emotion may appeal.
people are naturally dicks to eachother so stop trying to help people because helping people makes people be dicks to eachother

ok
 
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This kind of system will inevitably result in further restrictions, because as soon as we all get hooked on government handouts, the government will start deciding what we cannot do - we'll start deciding what you cannot eat or drink, whether or not you can legally smoke, we'll start mandating that your BMI be within a certain range. We'll start skirting civil liberties in favor of what's good for 'everyone'.
this is what we (the rest of the world) mean when we say that americans seem to believe that america is the greatest country in the world, a shining bastion of freedom and an exemplar of everything that is right and just in the world while also being constantly one tiny step away from total tyranny

it's bizarre and frankly ****ing angsty

yes, the potential exists for creeping/wedge **** to happen, but with everybody all up in this **** do you really think that that'll be allowed to happen?

Name a country with socialised/government-provided healthcare that mandates BMI/smoking/dietary requirements

now name an insurer that doesn't take that into account

and don't talk about 'death panels' when you a) have corporate death panels already and b) have a lovely thing called the wallet biopsy
 
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Total PreTax Medical 07-01-2013 $60.92
HW-Dental Deduction 07-01-2013 $8.77
HW-Vision Deduction 07-01-2013 $4.26

Per pay period which is bi-weekly.

So I pay under 2k a year for quite good healthcare bros.

Sooooo

Not much change from last year - but up still yes.
 
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I legitimately want to keep my insurance;
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Self reliance and being responsible for yourself and your family is what matters. Sorry, but if you can't be responsible for yourself or your family - then get ****ed.
Are you somehow unfamiliar with the entire concept of insurance?
 
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i've been all over the world and I think that many places have a better work/life balance than the US. European holidays and maternity/paternity benefits make us look like god damned china. I got myself into a position where I'm not personally a wage slave, but I was for a long time. 3-4 weeks vacation a year if you're lucky, ****ty benefits, long hours. Is a country like Germany where they can take off 2 months a year minimum really that worse off than us? They seem ok and they have healthcare, right? They still have a pretty robust manufacturing economy and a lower standard deviation in distribution of wealth. It sounds ok to me on paper.

My friend works in Geneva right now and he is not short on disposable income. He actually has more than me. He just had a baby and he gets actual paid paternity leave and his wife can take almost a year of maternity leave at 80-100% pay. He has taken almost 3 months of vacation this year. His health benefits are perfect and he works reasonable hours. So, it looks great on paper.

Why don't we have that or want that? Is Switzerland worse off than us economically? Is Germany?

I'm at an age where I appreciate some work/life balance. I paid my dues in my 20s and I want to actually live my life and not my job. If that means, somehow, I can't go out and buy a 3rd car or something, well **** that's a small price to pay
I would take that deal in a heartbeat, but that's not the direction America is headed.

I spent my 20's busting my ass. If I could qualify for free high quality healthcare in a different state, then I'd be fairly motivated to quit my 60-70/hr job and go live somewhere with a much lower cost of living. This would allow me to work much less hours, with less stress and have more leisure time to myself. That sounds like a win/win to me.
 
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I haven't been affected at all.

I'd like to hear from people whose premiums skyrocketed, with numbers. Skyrocket is kind of vague to me.
 
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The current plan has resulted in me losing my insurance that I've paid for to cover myself under my employer. I had really good health insurance, and I paid something like $60-$90 per month (dependant on how many paychecks I earned per month), it was reasonable, affordable, and wasn't something I had to fret over, it was there when I needed it.
Isn't that mostly because your employer was getting a sweet tax credit/cut as a result of offering the plan that others had to pay for?

AKA, you aren't actually self-reliant and instead mooching off of others that have to pay a larger share of taxes as a result?
 
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