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JuggerNaught
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481 - 05-14-2020, 14:44
Comey should have been put in jail months ago
 
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General Flynn's crime is that he assumed that the FBI was, of all institutions of the State, impartial and non-partisan and only interested in the truth. That they could be trusted to be motivated purely in the interests of the United States.

Oops.

A lot of people had/have this view of the FBI as a noble institution, free of political bias, but like all massive bureaucracy trusted with broad and sweeping power over the people, they can't be trusted to be impartial. They require oversight, which failed (again) in this instance. If it failed here, where else has it been failing?

If they can frame a decorated 3-Star General with a bogus charge of perjury just to get him fired and put him in jail... who else has the FBI ****ed over and who is next?

This isn't the first time the FBI has been accused of abuse of power.

... we want no Gestapo or secret police. The FBI is tending in that direction. They are dabbling in sex-life scandals and plain blackmail. J. Edgar Hoover would give his right eye to take over, and all congressmen and senators are afraid of him. - President Harry S Truman


There is a clear trail of growing evidence that the FBI went out of its way to remove a political rival on behalf of the Obama administration.
Truman refused to listen to Hoover concerning the number of high level communists in his state department, and even in his own administration. Considering how Truman bent over backwards to appease Stalin, you'd have to wonder what Truman really was doing. Regardless of how you think of Hoover, he was a patriot. He fought across party lines and was the one who "leaked" the names to Senator Joseph McCarthy of the communists in our government. While McCarthyism is a slur, it's been subsequently proven that he (and Hoover) were right. The democrats did all they can to defame and slander McCarthy, lying and hiding evidence to protect Truman.

We fought two major wars because of Truman (Korea and Vietnam) and the communist spies that were rife within the democrat controlled government caused untold death and misery, providing the USSR with nuclear secrets and names of CIA members that were subsequently killed.

Some historians hold Truman up as some sort of great president. I, however, do not. He was directly responsible for 100s of thousands of lives lost. Maybe millions.
 
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483 - 05-14-2020, 15:01
Truman isn't on trial here.

I only quote him to point out that the FBI has a long history of acting as a kingmaker and using its influence as an unelected power to shape American society.

And McCarthy's "Red Scare" is a great example of unchecked power running amok ... just like today with "Russia, Russia, Russia", the Kremlin has agents everywhere! The fact that the FBI participated in the persecution of American's based on dubious evidence of collusion with communists back then... and is seen here doing it again... well, that's just strange isn't it?

Look how many people end up being accused of treason and collusion with Moscow when they find themselves on the wrong side of the Democratic party.... from Micheal Flynn to Tulsi Gabbard.


The Commie-Card is older than the Race-Card in politics.
 
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484 - 05-14-2020, 15:04
How long are we going to be able to use Russia as a scare tactic? I mean they were the boogeyman of our fathers and grand fathers. I'm not concerned about them one way or the other, and i really doubt they are all that concerned about me
 
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Truman isn't on trial here.

I only quote him to point out that the FBI has a long history of acting as a kingmaker and using its influence as an unelected power to shape American society.

And McCarthy's "Red Scare" is a great example of unchecked power running amok ... just like today with "Russia, Russia, Russia", the Kremlin has agents everywhere! The fact that the FBI participated in the persecution of American's based on dubious evidence of collusion with communists back then... and is seen here doing it again... well, that's just strange isn't it?

Look how many people end up being accused of treason and collusion with Moscow when they find themselves on the wrong side of the Democratic party.... from Micheal Flynn to Tulsi Gabbard.


The Commie-Card is older than the Race-Card in politics.
Don't confuse McCarthyism with the HUAC. Two completely different things. McCarthy was concerned with communists like Alger Hiss, Klaus Fuchs, Harry Dexter White, etc. The House Un-American Activities Committee was involved with communists in general, including people in Hollywood, etc.

The "dubious" evidence you mention was actual counterintelligence from decrypted messages that Hoover managed to obtain and pass along to McCarthy.

It's very true Hoover had the political clout (via dirt on just about everyone) to remain in office for over 40 years and eight presidents. But he served under both sides of the isle, and wasn't (as far as I know) biased one way or the other. What's going on now is pure political weaponization of a police branch of the government by one side against the other. That is ****ing scary.
 
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486 - 05-14-2020, 16:45
I was just going to ask Gandalf if he has thoroughly investigated (by WIKIPEDIA or otherwise) any of the more common names of people under Truman (or FDR) who were the biggest issues.........much like we experience today.

And there they are........a good list to start with.

Most of the History we have been taught to accept has been revised and revisioned for many decades now. This definition is out of a 1956 "THE OXFORD UNIVERSAL DICTIONARY" edition. Compare that to say a modern day definition for the same word.



It's night and day. Most of the biggest issues we are forced to talk about, revolving around any previous war, wasn't even an intellectual construct during that time..........many of the top reasons we have for fighting in WW2, at least as our public school teaches it, weren't even added terminology until the late 60's. Oddly enough when our country was, in my opinion, entirely taken over by these people McCarthy types were going after.

It's always been a battle between Bolsheviks and the rest of us. They have had a global conquest agenda for over 100 years now. One they still celebrate rather openly today. This isn't a secret agenda anymore. They are rubbing it in our face rather openly and defiantly.

I'd argue they might have lost the USSR with its collapse......which is why Russia is now the "enemy"

But have largely won, or been winning, the Western World as far as I'm concerned.
 
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487 - 05-14-2020, 16:49
on a scale of 8-10 how proud do u think hoover would have been of comey ?
 
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488 - 05-14-2020, 16:49
I mean I agree with HELLSFURY (also amazing posts btw.....such a pleasure to read)

that nobody should have this kind of power or control

then it couldn't be abused the way it is

but they have it..........it isn't going away.

The only fight left is over who is controlling and abusing it now.
 
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on a scale of 8-10 how proud do u think hoover would have been of comey ?
not very given one is a bolshevik

the other was by that 1956 definition a fascist (anyone anti-bolshevik)

Polygraph panic: CIA director fretted his vote for communist - CNNPolitics

I mean this argument is largely making itself now..........thanks for the assistance

normal people don't grasp the severity of struggle and desperation it takes to fight off your enemy when they have proven, time and time again, that they will do anything and stoop to any level, no matter how immoral or desperate, to win an ideological battle against you.

we will learn that historical lesson soon enough (again) i am afraid to say.
 
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Alger Hiss, Klaus Fuchs, Harry Dexter White
I mean I didn't even make this list........so I can't be blamed for sampling biases this time

Alger Hiss

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For example, their book cites a KGB report from 1938 in which Iskhak Akhmerov, New York station chief, writes, "I don't know for sure who Hiss is connected with."[150] Haynes and Klehr also claim that Hiss was the agent who used the cover name "Doctor". According to Soviet sources, however, "Doctor" was a middle-aged Bessarabian Jew who was educated in Vienna.[151]
Klaus Fuchs

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" The son of a Jewish furrier who had fled Russian pogroms"
of course he was a pre-holocaust holocaust #110 survivor.......

Historians uncover fourth Soviet spy who stole US atomic secrets in WWII | The Times of Israel

The Boy Who Gave Away The Bomb

btw but good job "WIKI" for removing that section........going EPSTEIN with this one making him born to "A FAMILY" to hide the obvious correlation i had to search two second longer to find elsewhere

Harry Dexter White

Harry Dexter White - Wikipedia

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Harry Dexter White was born on October 29, 1892, in Boston, Massachusetts, the seventh and youngest child of Jewish Lithuanian immigrants
I mean all 3 are Jewish? What are those odds.....while being pro BOLSHEVISM?

very antisemitic the Communist scare was for some reason. Almost entirely some might say.

I mean can you imagine if we viewed all of history through this scope all the time?

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Working closely with the Secretary of the Treasury Henry Morgenthau, Jr., he helped set American financial policy toward the Allies of World War II.


there they both are...........Hmmmmm

Henry Morgenthau, Jr.........now there is a person I suggest we ALL read more about.

Henry Morgenthau Jr. - Wikipedia.

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Morgenthau was the first and only Jew to be first in the presidential line of succession.[3][4][5]
Him and that legendary Morgenthau plans.............so many plans

so much planning for all of us *HANDS RUBBING*

He was the core Bolshevik behind all other Bolshevism.

His family predominantly runs New York and have ever since........then through banking I'd argue the country

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Morgenthau was first appointed by the U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt as temporary President of the Bretton Woods Conference, which established the Bretton Woods system, the International Monetary Fund and the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development (the World Bank)
and the from there the legacy lives on

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Henry Morgenthau III was the son of Elinor (née Fatman), granddaughter of Mayer Lehman, a co-founder of Lehman Brothers[1]
Why do anti-capitalist Bolsheviks always boil back to BANKING and COMMUNISM?
 
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Comey should have been put in jail months ago
You misspelled years.
 
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Actually, my knowledge of McCarthy. HUAC, Truman, FDR, Hoover, etc is from a lot of reading. Blacklisted by History, for one example.

As far as Jews and communism, who knows, considering just how the communists hate Jews.

And Jews historically have been forbidden most jobs except for banking and other similar endeavors.

I'm not really concerned with the race of the people that are destroying my country. Least of my worries. I'm more worried about the how.
 
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493 - 05-14-2020, 18:22
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Do you possibly think in that pea brain of yours that he might have been coached prior to these for a reason? He didn't just say "oh yeah **** help I got this **** in court" There was some deal going and that was his end of the bargain. Now that all of this other info has come to light, you can be damn sure Flynn and his legal team know the deals made are off.
Even Trump and Pence said hes guilty and he lied to Pence about it.

Hes an admitted criminal and a proven liar. The Judge in his case even called him treasonous.
 
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Actually, my knowledge of McCarthy. HUAC, Truman, FDR, Hoover, etc is from a lot of reading. Blacklisted by History, for one example.
I will need to read that book......thank you for taking the time to list it.

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As far as Jews and communism, who knows, considering just how the communists hate Jews.
Yikes....not sure about that one.

Putin: First Soviet government was mostly Jewish | The Times of Israel

I mean between Israel's opinion and Putins opinion.......I'm not one to argue.

the fight between say Stalin, who was one of the few non-jewish red army leaders, and say Trotsky is why the pogroms you mentioned occurred. They couldn't stop poisoning and undermining one another. Coup after coup after coup (like we are seeing today, we saw in pre WW2 Germany as well) and in typical communist fashion they ran out of other kulaks food and money and did more than a little infighting. The rats were forced to eat one another.

We know Stalin got Trotsky........but then Trotsky's disciples, which is what I'd argue Marxism and even LENIN has always been about, got him in the end. Amazing how many people died by their (((medical))) handlers.

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And Jews historically have been forbidden most jobs except for banking and other similar endeavors.
Yeah, that's the narrative they go with. They call it a trope to say they are money handlers........but they always seem to be the first to handle money.

I guess it's a horrible job though and somebody has to do it (it being usury and money manipulating).

They also have to do other highly lucrative, low physical effort, often forbidden jobs like porn production and run the media and hollywood..........jobs nobody else would ever want they tell me so they have to do it.

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I'm not really concerned with the race of the people that are destroying my country. Least of my worries. I'm more worried about the how.
I find it amusing you say race and not religion. That proves to me you know enough about this topic to see the makings of blood libel and a multiple thousand year agenda. You are well aware already and I don't blame you for having this public stance. The other, say mine, will likely ruin your life soon.

And as I said in another thread, you don't have to care about Bolshevism to end up in a Gulag. You don't have to vote for or care about these people being in power for them to rule over you. Trump didn't need to care about the "RUSSIA" investigation for him to be impeached and ultimately kicked out of office if the Senate wasn't GOP controlled.

That's how we got to where we are as in right now. The future is simply repeating itself again after that.
 
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Even Trump and Pence said hes guilty and he lied to Pence about it.

Hes an admitted criminal and a proven liar. The Judge in his case even called him treasonous.
lying is a crime

but FBI lied.......Obama admin lied

and you don't give a ****

worse than that you celebrate it and are enthusiastic to vote for more of that

you can't write one complete sentence without exposing your hypocrisy and idiocy

maybe work on that for us
 
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496 - 05-14-2020, 18:53
well we know israel is surrounded by muslims and the palestinians dig tunnels and train their children to set the wall on fire at a very young age

i dont think israel soldiers should be shooting and killing kids and civilians and i think netanyahu is like jewish donald trump but i dont think assimilating into muslim culture is the way to go for israel and them being defensive isnt unreasonable

in conclusion **** you
 
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cael
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497 - 05-14-2020, 19:02
the only person whose lying matters right now is flynn
 
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havax
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498 - 05-14-2020, 19:04
and carl for lying that he gave his personal paypal/venmo info to flash, which ultimately caused the Great Welching of 2020
 
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Captain Tele
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499 - 05-14-2020, 20:08
Guess which Statue is still standing in the USA?





Spoiler


I am told that Lenin is up because it is on private property

that also amuses me for some reason........because they don't believe in such things

It's only a matter of time, maybe a decade, until we add Jefferson and rest of founding fathers to the list.

but yeah be more concerned with "HOW" they are doing this to us...........not WHO is doing it to us.

That's a winning strategy as we can see.
 
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500 - 05-14-2020, 20:57
"private donor" more like it
 
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