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41 - 09-02-2008, 10:21
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yeah but for her family it doesn't matter because they are rich. a teen that is preggers is only a problem for poor people.
 
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i think we'd both be silly to suggest any method of sex education would prevent teen pregnancy entirely.
Advocating abstinence ONLY is the worst method of sex education. Sex education requires more than ONE method.

Thanks for helping me illustrate my point.
 
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i think we'd both be silly to suggest any method of sex education would prevent teen pregnancy entirely.
Yes, but it's by far less of an issue in developed regions like... Northern Europe. I don't see bringing up such backwards attitudes in a VP is inappropriate.

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Americans are really ****ing stupid. A whole continent full of rednecks.
 
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But now you still haven't made an argument why teaching sexual education in school is a bad thing.
I think I should preface this by saying what I say is assuming every parent does his/her JOB as a parent. Which they don't.

In this perfect world, which im using for the sake of argument, sex education in school isn't necessary. And thats my point - it shouldn't be necessary, providing every parent actually talks to his or her kid like a rational human being and not some burden they drive to school every day for substitute parenting.

But unfortunately we live in your ****ty world where this is required. But, as for me, for the rest of the rational well adjusted people out in america, this **** aint needed. At all. At least for our kids.
 
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the point of sex ed being taught in schools is that it's taught to a high scientific standard. if you leave it to parents to teach their kids how to use a condom, they'll be taught poorly. parents are ignorant. and squeamish. I imagine very few parent know all about ovulation cycles and discharge or whatever.
 
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The only people who think sex-ed should be taught in a school are parents who are too afraid to talk with their own kids. People like those probably shouldn't have kids.. catch 22, actually..

I mean, think about it - when I have kids, id rather talk it over with them than some douchebag physical education teacher.

Living in ignorance is no solution but that doesn't mean the state needs to step in. I think theres a happy medium here no one is exploring..
sex is very much a part of biology, dumbass
 
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the point of sex ed being taught in schools is that it's taught to a high scientific standard. if you leave it to parents to teach their kids how to use a condom, they'll be taught poorly. parents are ignorant. and squeamish. I imagine very few parent know all about ovulation cycles and discharge or whatever.
because on a saturday night when you've got her in the backseat and her panties are in the front floorboard, EVERY guy is thinking about ovulation cycles, discharge or whatever
 
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You do realize that your "crowd" is the most homosexual reject subgroup of rednecks, right?
What "crowd" would that be you degenerate, zionist, ******-loving, jewned little ****skin?
 
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i find it tragic how triple doesn't believe in god, but keeps all the ****ty conservative baggage that comes with Him.
 
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you guys are ****ing dumb. policies of any kind isn't about what people should be doing, like talking with their kids about sex, but what people actually do. So numbnuts like triple should understand that sex education does work and prevents teen pregnancies and STD's. If you talk to your kids about sex, good for you; you don't want them to hear about it from some loser Gym teacher...fine, talk to them first so they know it already and don't have to learn it from school.

But to sit on your high horse and say that schools shouldn't teach sex-ed is selfish and stupid at your own kid expence. BTW, for all the religious retards that believe that teaching sex-ed encourages teen sex, look up statistics on teen sex and what age people start having sex at through recent history and stop being ignorant.
 
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It is pretty self evident that the consequences of promiscuity are far reaching throughout society.

Broken relationships, single parents, broken homes, disease, unwanted pregnancies.

The only benefit is that it feels good.

Selfishness reigns supreme.
 
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sex is very much a part of biology, dumbass
sexed and bio are two different experiences, at least from my experience

bio is a straight factual account (I took honors freshman year - not smart) of reproduction. Goes into a lot of detail about genes, conception, all that. The science of it.

Sex ed is one big lecture. Sort of like DARE, if you've ever been through that, except with sex. They toss a condom at you and tell you to use it. On a banana. They open the floor up to some questions, and the whole class laughs when someone says penis out loud. Its all the sort of thing that you'd expect out of this stupid idea.
 
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That her conservative christian values like abstinence only education and which repugs highly tout and want to force down everyone's throat, has shown to be a failure. And it's a failure in her own family.
Her family hasn't failed.

She has 5 kids, all look nice clean and from what i understand do the whole school thing. Her husbadn works and is also a good bread winner as well as herself. Their family looks beautiful.
I'm gonna bet that her family is more a success than yours...DOOD
 
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It is pretty self evident that the consequences of promiscuity are far reaching throughout society.

Broken relationships, single parents, broken homes, disease, unwanted pregnancies.

The only benefit is that it feels good.

Selfishness reigns supreme.
Our fathers doomed us to this moralless quagmire when they fought against National Socialist Germany. They empowered the jews, who are now pushing degeneracy of every kind imaginable on us.
 
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I think I should preface this by saying what I say is assuming every parent does his/her JOB as a parent. Which they don't.

In this perfect world, which im using for the sake of argument, sex education in school isn't necessary. And thats my point - it shouldn't be necessary, providing every parent actually talks to his or her kid like a rational human being and not some burden they drive to school every day for substitute parenting.

But unfortunately we live in your ****ty world where this is required. But, as for me, for the rest of the rational well adjusted people out in america, this **** aint needed. At all. At least for our kids.
Well there you go. We don't live in a perfect world. We never will...so there's no point in lamenting that fact.

But now I would contest your claim to understanding human sexuality. Here and here are two links relevant to a subject. The articles are introductions to the topics of sex and human sexuality. Do you claim to actually remember even 40% of the stuff in there? You actually know the terms? I haven't looked at that **** for ages, so I personally will not claim to be able to effectively teach students those facts. And these are just basic introductions (as with all wikipedia articles). So maybe you're just far beyond me in biological intelligence, but I personally wouldn't be able to teach all the particulars to my kids even though I learned them at some point. These are exactly the facts that they should learn in a biology class. And everybody should take a biology class in school. If you think you can, maybe you should take your kids and home-school them, since you seem to be so far beyond the rest of us in intelligence. The rest of us can let the teachers go about their business and do their jobs.
 
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Advocating abstinence ONLY is the worst method of sex education.
that is the point of contention, isn't it? I wholeheartedly agree with you that it's a bad method but as far as being the worst I think that warrants a deeper consideration than our personal opinions.

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Sex education requires more than ONE method.
i'm not an expert but I would agree with you here as well.

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Thanks for helping me illustrate my point.
I'm not sure I did. You said abstinence is a "failure" because of an identified case of failure. That's hardly an appropriate conclusion based on one failure of a method.

If you want to prove it never works, then you have to consider more than a few isolated cases. Even then you're trying to convince religious nuts so out of the gate it's a futile effort.
 
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SHE'S A REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE, THIS IS WHAT THE REPUBS WANT TO HEAR, THAT IS WHAT WHAT SHE BACKED. its not hard to understand
 
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Our fathers doomed us to this moralless quagmire when they fought against National Socialist Germany. They empowered the jews, who are now pushing degeneracy of every kind imaginable on us.
Degeneracy has been around since time immemorial and it did not begin or end with the Jews.

National Socialist Germany was never a good thing. Sure some decent morals may have been promoted but decent morals were promoted across the U.S.A. at that time also.

National Socialist Germany relegated the individual as subservient to the State which was a total perversion due to the fact that the State is an abstract idea created by individuals for the benefit of those individuals.
 
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Anyone got any troll food left? I'm all out.
 
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Palin is right, those STD slides they showed us in middle school were horrible. Totally destroyed any chance of me having a enjoyable youthful day. I want that day back sex ed.
 
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