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the only thing the us military has ever done is clean up japanese slums for redevelopment by true heroes of real estate

they also cleaned up atlanta 150 years ago, but that got slummy again in no time
 
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Try to fathom what $700B could do if it were instead invested into scientific advancement.
Try to fathom what having an extra 113 billion a year would be like if we got rid of the illegals. That thing would have been paid for in 6.19 years.
 
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Oh in wargames?
Ah yes so we're back to this one again. The US Navy runs multibillion dollar costing wargames just for ****s and giggles, and not to actually test their systems in preparation for the real deal. The conservative mind is an interesting one, in terms of how vacuous it is.
 
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We run war games to find vulnerabilities and to fix them. To suggest that Submarine detection hasn't improved in 10+ years is a stupid assumption to make.
 
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What are you going to say when the entire CVBG sinks to a single submarine again in the next wargame?
 
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I'd say that taking a picture is a lot quieter than shooting a torpedo.
 
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No, it totally eliminates the magnetic signature, which is why these submarines continue to pop up right smack dab in the middle of your prestigious carrier battle groups, you dull ****face. I love your logic by the way: yeah, they can't track them within 50 miles, but once they're 200 miles out, we can see them where ever they are in the world!
Oh yea
 
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So what you're saying is that like other conservatives with a hardon for pointless military posturing and largesse (due to your own income being incumbent on wasteful "defense" spending), you simply refuse to believe in an objective reality and instead institute your own?

And yes, the signature is for all intents and purposes eliminated during degaussing. That's the point of the procedure, and the reason why your big ole navy can't find the damn submarines that get degaussed.
 
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And yes, the signature is for all intents and purposes eliminated during degaussing. That's the point of the procedure, and the reason why your big ole navy can't find the damn submarines that get degaussed.
The difference between what you know and the reality.
 
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idk i was always able 2 find my crt after hitting 'degauss'
 
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The difference between what you know and the reality.
You can't talk about it, since your view is that while the USN is repeatedly unable to locate attacking submarines within a 50 mile radius of a battle group actively looking for it, it can do so anywhere else on the planet in real time.

Also, it has been estimated that China will be capable of producing over 1,100 anti-ship missiles for the cost of a single carrier. Howbout dat?
 
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Who is arguing that war with China wouldn't cause significant destruction?
 
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that's negligible b/c since they're going to be chinese build quality, they will need 1100 missiles to sink one carrier
 
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Not just that but look at US Air Bases around China. We wouldn't need carriers immediately in a conflict with Russia or China. We would be land launching nukes and hunting their Navy down with Submarines and Air Assets deployed from land based areas within the AOR.
 
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The carrier has been an obsolete platform for war fighting since whenever the first nuclear powered submarine came online in the mid 50s. Rickover said in 82 that carriers are floating coffins. As I said, the primary purpose of the carrier is to bully third world nations, but even that is coming to an end with the proliferation of anti-ship missiles and cheap DE submarines. One gives you a volume of fire that ensures some shots go through, the other is a bit more expensive but outright denies the sea to your enemy.
 
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Ok well I hate to tell you this but almost every major conflict in the last 70 years has been in a 3rd world **** hole.
 
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Nobody except the kikes who hate the rest of mankind is crazy enough to launch a nuke. They're mantlepieces, though the US is trying to make it so they could nuke Russia. For the moment, they can't without getting flattened in return, especially since Russian ballistic platforms & radars are superior to their American counterparts.
 
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Except that literally every single economy in the last 150+ years that's ever been jumpstarted has been done so by war, thus proving the fallacy - though seemingly illogical - completely incorrect in practice.

Much like socialism.
The only thing that makes your statement true is if you read from Keynesian Economists who approve of government spending. If viewed by, lets say, a realist or a capitalist or free market economist, war spending does nothing but put the nation into never repayable debt.

For example: did it ever cross the minds of the Keynesian economists that the reason the US was lifted out of the great depression, 2-3 years after the end of WWII, was a result that most of the industrial world in Europe and Asia was blown to **** and the factories in the US tripled in size, to supply the world with its needs? Russia and Germany were decimated after the war, two extremely large manufacturing powerhouses but the consumption of world was still there.

You can find study after study, opinion after opinion on the results of WWII and the economy. Some saying that its directly responsible for getting the US out of the depression, some say it was FDR's New Deal (even though that was passed many years before) others saying it did nothing of the sort. I fall in the later category. *edit* - its a classic case of the welfare warfare state in action: one group of idiots (Welfare Statists or, more commonly known as Socialists) think that government spending through the socialist and Fascist policies of FDR's New Deal was responsible for lifting the US out of the depression and the other group of idiots (Warfare Statist) think that spending on WAR RAR!! lifted the US out of the depression.

The same can be said of college loans: were more or less loans issued prior to the US federal government guaranteeing the repayment of student loans? Since the guarantee, has the higher learning industry exploded to meet the new demands? If the federal government guaranteed repayment for all the nations broken windows, would there be an increase in the manufacturing and installations of broken windows after the guarantee? In order to pay for all those broken windows, its going to inflate the window industry and remove money previously allocated into other aspects of the economy. Its the same thing for the war economy.
 
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arsin pretending like defense costs are proportionate per household.

Reality, 2% of the population pays for 40% of it.
Leaving the other 60% for ... me. I'm saying that someone with a household income of $120K pays around $200wk out due to state coercion. Since it is an excessive amount and doesn't yield any discernible or net benefits to about 330Mn amairkaners, I'd say that this fact alone make a damning indictment on the Federales.

Hence the term "fasciti" when describing the Federales relationship to the citizenry.

Such a glorious site!


72,000 homes worth of glory.
 
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To be fair 2,600 live there though
 
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