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Sanders and His Followers Are Not Outliers - Ron Paul Liberty Report


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Depending on one’s point of view, Bernie Sanders either held his own or boosted his chances against perceived front-runner Hillary Clinton in Tuesday night’s Democratic presidential primary debate. His message clearly resonated with the live audience, particularly his statements about raising the minimum wage to $15 per hour, global warming, and government-mandated paid childcare leave.
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But progressives are emboldened by Sanders, who reportedly draws upward of 20,000 people at events. He inspires them with his attacks on capitalism, happily calling himself a “Democratic Socialist.” And his economic plans, while a mess, appeal to their radical (and disastrous) notions of egalitarianism.
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Happily, there are murmurs of discontent — progressives like to eat their own. His crowds skew overwhelmingly white and older, leading to allegations that Sanders suffers from a whiteness problem. His home state of Vermont is laughably un-diverse and prosperous, home to woodsy limousine liberals who like the idea of urban living more than the reality. But nobody ever lost a political race purely for hypocrisy — and while Bernie’s brand of socialism might fade with the Birkenstock Boomer crowd, Occupy Wall Street millennials stand waiting.

Regardless of whether Sanders ultimately secures the nomination, the size and energy of the Bernie phenomenon should not be underestimated. If anything, libertarians consistently misjudge the degree to which socialist thought is deeply rooted in the American psyche.
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Like Sanders, millions of American progressives hold deeply statist and authoritarian beliefs:
  • ***8203;changes in climate threaten human extinction;
  • fossil fuels should be banned, and alternative fuels should be mandated;
  • wealth and income should be forcibly redistributed;
  • no individual should earn more than a set amount of money each year;
  • welfare and entitlement programs should be vastly increased;
  • whole industries (healthcare, education) should be nationalized, while others (energy, banking) should be regulated to the point of de facto nationalization;
  • some form of global government should be installed;
  • a global wealth tax should be implemented;
  • private ownership of firearms should be banned;
  • anti-discrimination legislation should be applied to private religious organizations;
  • racial gender, and sexual orientation quotas should be mandated on both public and private employers;
  • certain types of speech should be criminalized;
  • certain criminals should be subjected to greater penalties if motivated by “hate”;
  • social justice should be pursued by any means necessary; and
  • government should attempt to engineer equality of outcomes.


These ideas, and the people who hold them, are not outliers in America. There are millions of rank and file progressives, mostly registered Democrats, who believe exactly as Bernie believes. They may prefer to vote for Hillary Clinton purely as a tactical matter because they are unsure the country is “ready” for full socialism, or because they think Hillary has a better chance of beating the hated Republicans in the general election.

But average progressives and Democrats agree with Bernie Sanders across the board, whether they plan to vote for him or not.

Do average Republicans and conservatives agree with Ron Paul? Do most registered Republicans really advocate eliminating income taxes, abolishing entire federal agencies, repealing the Federal Reserve Act, ending all foreign interventions, and drastically downsizing the US military? Are most conservatives, in their hearts, radically anti-state? The answer is no. Most conservatives are only nominally less statist, often more corporatist, and almost invariably more militarist than progressives.
The reason is simple, though we tend to forget it: the twentieth century was a radically progressive century. Income taxes, central banking, social insurance schemes, demand-side Keynesian economics, and Wilsonian internationalism — all radical ideas — have become entrenched articles of faith over the past 100 years. When we talk about politics or economics today, we do so within a thoroughly progressive framework.

The entire progressive agenda of the last century, which would have sounded outrageous to the libertarian-tinged ear of the average American in 1900, is now merely the baseline from which all government action originates.

That’s why abolitionist libertarians are on the defensive in modern political discourse, while grandiose progressives are on the attack: the default position in American politics is for government to do something.

So we shouldn’t downplay or minimize the success of progressives in shifting the landscape dramatically in favor of the state over the past century. Progressives never went away, despite the rhetoric of Ronald Reagan or Milton Friedman or Bill Clinton. The era of big government is still here, and it always was.

So what should libertarians do, in an absurd progressive world obsessed with supposed global warming, inequality, racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, and privilege, ad nauseam?
The answer could fill a book, but let me suggest we start by freeing ourselves of the burdens of politics. Our battle is for hearts and minds, not votes. While Democrats and Republicans fixate on candidates and their supposed policies, libertarians are free to remain psychologically and emotionally detached from the whole sordid process.

And with that detachment comes freedom: the freedom to inspire, educate, and influence other people of good will without the divisive cloud of partisan politics creating suspicion and distrust. Once people know you’re not simply making arguments to support “your guy” — or any guy — they tend to view you more impartially and hence more favorably.

A new era of liberty, peace, and prosperity will not be won at the ballot box. It will be won at ground level, individual by individual, as progressive ideas crumble in the face of unsustainable government debts, unsustainable government wars, and unsustainable government entitlements.
 
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Sanders is this years ron paul, book it.

there's a vocal minority of college retards on the internet that skew every poll and spam every forum they can.

he's not getting anywhere near the primary unless there's just literally no other candidates for the DNC.
 
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Tribalwar wants your old sig back odio.

thx
 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZnXF54PYDs
 
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he's not getting anywhere near the primary unless there's just literally no other candidates for the DNC.
yeah this has been obvious to anyone with a brain for months

you don't have to sound so ****in happy about it tho
 
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Most of the Sanders supporters in my circles were avid Obama 2008 supporters.
 
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fossil fuels should be banned, and alternative fuels should be mandated;
wealth and income should be forcibly redistributed;
no individual should earn more than a set amount of money each year;
some form of global government should be installed;
a global wealth tax should be implemented;
certain types of speech should be criminalized;

 
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Sanders is this years ron paul, book it.

there's a vocal minority of college retards on the internet that skew every poll and spam every forum they can.

he's not getting anywhere near the primary unless there's just literally no other candidates for the DNC.
Paul deflated because he backed down on his racial beliefs under pressure, no other reason. People correctly perceived him as a coward.
 
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I get so confused when I see normal intelligent people get upset about Bernie calling out the ridiculous economic system in the US. It is like some people think they are just a promotion away from being Jamie Dimon or Steve Jobs. You aren't special snowflakes that are almost at the summit of the US economic peak, you are successful people who aren't the ****ing target of any these reforms and you aren't anywhere near the economic stratosphere that is being targeted. Get the **** over yourselves.

That said Bernie really has no clue how to actually fix this ****, even if he is correctly identifying many of the systemic problems.
 
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Bernie isn't "identifying" any problems, he's the problem. The "problem" is that htere's an entrenched jewish banker class who has the West in a deathgrip. Jews play both sides of the field.
 
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Even if he is a sleeper Jew agent calling out the banksters on Wall St. to distract the public from the longer Jew con of stealing all the money, that doesn't mean some of his criticisms of the economy aren't right.

I don't think he has any real solutions and by default being part of the system is part of the problem.

Many people on TW get angry at him though thinking he wants to steal all their money, when in fact they aren't anywhere near the class of people he wants to steal money from.

That was my point.
 
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Well, every American thinks they're a millionaire temporarily down on their luck.
 
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that article makes a lot of assumptions
 
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It is hilarious what the right thinks that the left believes in.
 
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It is hilarious what the right thinks that the left believes in.
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It is hilarious what the left thinks that the right believes in.
 
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Yeah... I don't think I've heard a lot of that SJW stuff mentioned as part of Bernie's platform, just the economic stuff? Where did they get that from?
 
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Well, every American thinks they're a millionaire temporarily down on their luck.
that Comment is not accurate at all. Please quit watching **** about new york and california.

You say way more retarded **** than I do sometimes.
 
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Like Sanders, millions of American progressives hold deeply statist and authoritarian beliefs:
***8203;changes in climate threaten human extinction;
fossil fuels should be banned, and alternative fuels should be mandated;
wealth and income should be forcibly redistributed;
no individual should earn more than a set amount of money each year;
welfare and entitlement programs should be vastly increased;
whole industries (healthcare, education) should be nationalized, while others (energy, banking) should be regulated to the point of de facto nationalization;
some form of global government should be installed;
a global wealth tax should be implemented;
private ownership of firearms should be banned;
anti-discrimination legislation should be applied to private religious organizations;
racial gender, and sexual orientation quotas should be mandated on both public and private employers;
certain types of speech should be criminalized;
certain criminals should be subjected to greater penalties if motivated by ***8220;hate***8221;;
social justice should be pursued by any means necessary; and
government should attempt to engineer equality of outcomes.
This sounds like a really fun place to live
 
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Sanders is this years ron paul, book it.

there's a vocal minority of college retards on the internet that skew every poll and spam every forum they can.

he's not getting anywhere near the primary unless there's just literally no other candidates for the DNC.
No they aren't, retard.

They're the same progressives that were gung ho for the current ****** president.
 
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Putting some limits on hatespeach would go a long way in reducing mental illness in this country. Sarah Palin still reverberates through the gun toting schizophrenics who thinks Obama is coming to take 500 million god damn guns away from them.
 
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