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41 - 01-14-2010, 01:36
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I agree, Happy.

In fact, I think if you had a lot of programmers work for years without the concept of an MVC framework, then explained it to them, a lot of them would say "Well, I've been doing that for years!" It just makes sense from an organizational standpoint. Of course, everyone will do it at least a little differently, which is why a standardized framework can help from a support perspective.
 
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i thought the ruby fad was oer
ruby was never a fad.
 
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way to pick the two smallest sites I listed (both of which are Python, not PHP)
stackoverflow is C#, actually.
 
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All serious, high volume web dev for apps is done in two languages: .NET and Java. [/I]

yeah sorry you are completely incorrect.

google uses a mix of python and php and probably some other stuff
 
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These threads always turn into battles over whose language has a bigger dick.
 
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yeah sorry you are completely incorrect.

google uses a mix of python and php and probably some other stuff
They use a bunch of C++ (for core, high traffic, processing intensive things like search), and an increasing amount of Java.
 
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when i found out google used python, i was pissed.

i hate python, how dare an organization like google further the idea that python is a good language, at any level.

i'm convinced the people who designed that pathetic excuse of a 'programming language' are ****ing retarded.
 
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These threads always turn into battles over whose language has a bigger dick.
Not really. Any web dev worth their salt would attack PHP for other reasons, but not by asserting that it can't be used to power high-volume apps/sites. There are many reasons for why one might prefer other languages over PHP, PHP isn't perfect, but it works, is the widest language in use on the Web, and has matured to a very high degree, which with the use of Frameworks makes it particularly powerful and helps avoid many of its traditional pitfalls. Nobody can really contest that.

PHP6 is around the corner and I can't wait to see what it brings to the table.
 
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when i found out google used python, i was pissed.

i hate python, how dare an organization like google further the idea that python is a good language, at any level.

i'm convinced the people who designed that pathetic excuse of a 'programming language' are ****ing retarded.
Somebody is angsty
 
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when i found out google used python, i was pissed.

i hate python, how dare an organization like google further the idea that python is a good language, at any level.

i'm convinced the people who designed that pathetic excuse of a 'programming language' are ****ing retarded.
I kind of feel the same way. I've tried playing with python a few times. I don't get it.
 
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I kind of feel the same way. I've tried playing with python a few times. I don't get it.
 
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****, beaten
 
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have you ever used it?

someone with no programming knowledge would love it.

everyone else in the world wonders why they broke some of the most standard and oldest conventions.

its bull****. their own methods from tehir standard libraries conflict in terms of use and are not consistent at all. when i started running into those issue i decided it was designed by retards, for retards.
 
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have you ever used it?

someone with no programming knowledge would love it.

everyone else in the world wonders why they broke some of the most standard and oldest conventions.

its bull****. their own methods from tehir standard libraries conflict in terms of use and are not consistent at all. when i started running into those issue i decided it was designed by retards, for retards.
Yeah.. not quite getting what methods you're trying to use that conflict.. unless of course you're trying to run something written in Python 2.x on a Python 3.x interpreter; You are right about the someone with no programming knowledge bit, it's incredibly easy to teach and pick up.
 
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Yeah.. not quite getting what methods you're trying to use that conflict.. unless of course you're trying to run something written in Python 2.x on a Python 3.x interpreter; You are right about the someone with no programming knowledge bit, it's incredibly easy to teach and pick up.
i can't remember the specifics. it was almost 2 years ago.

but it was something with the standard methods ont he string object. if you used it where it worked on the start of teh string it used the index to figure out where you wanted to put it. if you used it to put it on the end it a character and put it after the last instance of that character.

****ty way to describe it, but it didn't make sense. both should have used the index, or both should have used characters. thats about the best my memory is doing right now.

they may have fixed it in later versions, but it was ****ing stupid. and to use whitespace to seperate things is
 
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Rails isnt practical. I hear a lot of people like it, but its a lot harder to set up, more server intensive, and a lot harder to find developers for it. If you're developing a project for yourself, sure use Rails if you want. If you are looking to do full-time work and get hired as a web developer for a company, the standard LAMP stack is the way to go IMO. The vast majority of sites on the web are php or asp based.

As far as php frameworks go, the main one we use at our company is CakePHP. Its not great with large data sets, but its a pretty good framework once you know the best ways to utilize it. Obviously there are pitfalls, but overall, it has a good MVC architecture. Some have compared it to rails for php.

Zend framework is another, though i've never used it. I think its pretty similar to cake. One of our newer developers was familiar with zend, and picked up cake without any problems.
What??

Ruby Developers are a plenty these days, especially in the major markets. Are they are numerous as PHP developers, no, which you know may actually better your chances of landing a job.

Server intensive, not so much, and it's easy to set up, just not so much on Windows. Yes, a vast majority of sites use PHP and .asp, but most sites suck.

Hulu, Twitter (although certain parts are no longer, but the release of ruby 2.8 and rails 3.0 have made great improvements), and Spiceworks are all Ruby-based.

I'm not a Ruby developer at all, so it's not like I'm fighting for my team.

Although, I'm starting to code for ****s and gigs, and I've been toying with both RoR and Python/Django, gotta say Rails is where it's at in my early stages. I love that the Google-apps engine has Python support though, which is quite nice.

But as far as setting up 'rails' its easy, and honestly IMO, having your own physical servers are quickly becoming a thing of the past. Cloud hosting is where it's at, and they come pre-configured for you lots of times .
 
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i can't remember the specifics. it was almost 2 years ago.

but it was something with the standard methods ont he string object. if you used it where it worked on the start of teh string it used the index to figure out where you wanted to put it. if you used it to put it on the end it a character and put it after the last instance of that character.

****ty way to describe it, but it didn't make sense. both should have used the index, or both should have used characters. thats about the best my memory is doing right now.

they may have fixed it in later versions, but it was ****ing stupid. and to use whitespace to seperate things is
I think I know what you're talking about.. I know the string object has been improved and I think that's less of an issue/non-issue now. I'll agree on the whitespace bit, especially if you're not used to it; becomes rather annoying when your program/script just halts in the middle of something because you added an extra space after your tab. Was a big issue for me when I started using python on a daily basis. It's less of an issue for me now since I have to use python practically everyday, but it still occurs.
 
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my issue with teh white space isn't so much designign a program as one person and making those kinds of mistakes.

my issue is with a real development environment. different text editors/IDE's use different spacing as 'tab', which is how most people use whitespace like that. which means if you use one editor and tab = 5 spaces, and i use another where tab = 4 spaces, then i can't work on your goddamn file without hitting the space bar. and its retarded that it even ****ing matters.

there are definatly ways around that, or to 'fix it', but it shouldn't be a problem in the first place.


btw - we've had this conversation before.
 
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