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221 - 10-01-2013, 15:59
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lmao so mad

what makes u more angry

the fact that people voted for obama and support obama care

or the fact that you cant do **** about it
 
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1. This plan was perfect for the insured. He liked it and was promised by King Obama himself that he'd be allowed to keep it. So much for that, right?
He said you can keep it, as long as it meets a baseline of standards. The letter from KP, the part with the BIG RED ****ING ARROW next to it, says it doesn't meet those standards.

His rates aren't going up, he's being transitioned to a new, and different, plan that meets the standards because thats what the law requires now. There is a difference there.

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2. Obamacare sets ridiculous standards that ALL PROVIDERS are struggling to meet. The government requires **** that many people DON'T NEED in order for a plan to qualify under the new law. It's not ****ty insurance, it's ****ty requirements that don't make even the most basic sense for regular people.
No, not all providers are. My work gives insurance for ~$200/month, they cover 60% of that. Their plan is 83% (that is 23% above the 60% value required by ACA) before you factor in the 60% that is paid for by the company.

So no, not every provider ever is struggling to meet these standards. Those are dumb talking points put out there by people dedicated to confusing the issue due to their political affiliations. It should come as no surprised that it's recited by their minions as some sort of proof that we're all doomed.
 
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People SAY they don't need mental health care, sure.
 
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to be fair, that pic data posted does indicate that the new insurance plan for that person ****ing sucks in normal usage circumstances. $5K deductible AND they have to pay $500/mo? And $60/office visit if they go more than 3 times? ****, even $1.5K deductible sucks ass if you are already paying $500/mo. Even after they meet their deductible, that plan kind of sucks.

i'd like to know the backstory on that, maybe he had some fancy plan subsidized by his company that his company was no longer going to support.
Yeah, the baseline and the bottom level of bronze coverage isn't exactly great healthcare.

There's information missing from it. I can't imagine why...
 
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ITT Jomo defends far-right republican maneuvers to shut down the government over legislation that they have failed to change through normal measures. That's a good way to run a government. If you don't get your way through normal means (via the courts or normal legislative process) in a democratically elected government, hold the country hostage.
hostage......

this coming from the people who are endlessly eager to always raise the debt ceiling, have a national deficit explosion, and create future fiscal insolvency so that they can pay monetary bribes to entitlement suckers for future votes.
 
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you're an idiot if you think obamacare increases premiums by that much.

fact: Obamacare will increase premiums 2-4% due to the 3 new taxes on insurance carriers. anything more than that is insurance carriers trying to use the ACA to sneak a higher rate increase.


Source?

 
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hostage......

this coming from the people who are endlessly eager to always raise the debt ceiling, have a national deficit explosion, and create future fiscal insolvency so that they can pay monetary bribes to entitlement suckers for future votes.
lol

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Yeah, the baseline and the bottom level of bronze coverage isn't exactly great healthcare.

There's information missing from it. I can't imagine why...
http://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ehea...ctible2010.pdf

thats from 2010, but i am curious about the big change in costs for those Kaiser plans. Doesn't seem like the 30/1500 is any different from that bronze one. Although the 30/1500 was rated as "Not Formally Allowed" in 2010 haha

and by the way, complaints about health insurance prices are irrelevant to what this thread is about.

My Boeing health insurance plan isnt changing but Boeing has really good benefits :x
 
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hostage......

this coming from the people who are endlessly eager to always raise the debt ceiling, have a national deficit explosion, and create future fiscal insolvency so that they can pay monetary bribes to entitlement suckers for future votes.
The debt ceiling should always be raised when it needs to be, **** it shouldn't even exist in the first place.

Everything else is a problem, just stop including the debt ceiling though. Seriously fix the other systemic issues in what and how our government is spending money and the necessity of the debt ceiling or the reason to debate raising it goes away.
 
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It's not having much impact. Now if you put Bernanke out there and he says "We're going to end the QE program immediately" watch the DJIA drop like a rock. The last few times that it was suggested that the fed would taper the QE, the DJIA dropped very quickly only to recover when he said it was going to continue. yay we love play money!
 
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He said you can keep it, as long as it meets a baseline of standards. The letter from KP, the part with the BIG RED ****ING ARROW next to it, says it doesn't meet those standards.

His rates aren't going up, he's being transitioned to a new, and different, plan that meets the standards because thats what the law requires now. There is a difference there.


No, not all providers are. My work gives insurance for ~$200/month, they cover 60% of that. Their plan is 83% (that is 23% above the 60% value required by ACA) before you factor in the 60% that is paid for by the company.

So no, not every provider ever is struggling to meet these standards. Those are dumb talking points put out there by people dedicated to confusing the issue due to their political affiliations. It should come as no surprised that it's recited by their minions as some sort of proof that we're all doomed.
Jesus Christ you're dense. This is ****ing Ender-level stupidity right here.
 
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"Important: Your account couldnt be created at this time. The system is unavailable."

I JUST WANT MY FREE HEALTHCARE!!!!!!!!!! ARRRRGHHH
 
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that plan data posted is ****ing horrible, that is basically 'oh **** i got hit by a car' insurance. his old insurance was much better although it was still kind of ****ty.

edit: it's not even hit by a car insurance - 30% on hospitalization, holy ****.
 
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Jesus Christ you're dense. This is ****ing Ender-level stupidity right here.
the story isnt all there. theyre blaming the ACA for having to change his plan, but there's probably a backstory behind it that has little to do with the ACA and more to do with their plan not being sustainable fiscally. it was rated as 'not formally allowed' back in 2010 whatever that means.
 
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But Data... you can like get.... free birth control now... and like... mammograms and stuff that's important to you...
And more doctor appointments, from far more people, with far fewer doctors, will miraculously reduce wait times. Millions of new people paying next to nothing to be insured will lower prices for others who already have insurancance and must somehow pay for theirs too. And it will create competition by eliminating the majority of health insurance providers in a dozen plus states. ahahahhahahaha

Ten states where Obamacare wipes out health care plans | The Daily Caller



It's got electrolytes which are what plants crave.....because plants crave electrolytes.

We gots to try something and obviously forcing people to buy an overpriced, monopolized, privatized insurance plan is exactly what the doctor ordered.

**** people are dumb.....like terminally and beyond hope dumb.
 
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yea data got pretty boned :/
how much would it cost to get something comparable to your old plan
 
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He said you can keep it, as long as it meets a baseline of standards. The letter from KP, the part with the BIG RED ****ING ARROW next to it, says it doesn't meet those standards.

His rates aren't going up, he's being transitioned to a new, and different, plan that meets the standards because thats what the law requires now. There is a difference there.


No, not all providers are. My work gives insurance for ~$200/month, they cover 60% of that. Their plan is 83% (that is 23% above the 60% value required by ACA) before you factor in the 60% that is paid for by the company.

So no, not every provider ever is struggling to meet these standards. Those are dumb talking points put out there by people dedicated to confusing the issue due to their political affiliations. It should come as no surprised that it's recited by their minions as some sort of proof that we're all doomed.
He said and promised a lot of things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUd-slJc-GY

none of which turned out to be in any form of reality.
 
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The debt ceiling should always be raised when it needs to be, **** it shouldn't even exist in the first place.
Neither should credit card limits. Everyone should just make it rain money in the streets.



debt limits.....credit ratings.....psshhh cash money niggas. We all ballas now and budgets just keep a good man down.

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Everything else is a problem, just stop including the debt ceiling though. Seriously fix the other systemic issues in what and how our government is spending money and the necessity of the debt ceiling or the reason to debate raising it goes away.
Not going another two trillion dollars further into new debt each year might help too, but learning to live within our means and not externalize our desires and responsibilities to others, and future generations, is pretty un-american these days.
 
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hostage......

this coming from the people who are endlessly eager to always raise the debt ceiling, have a national deficit explosion, and create future fiscal insolvency so that they can pay monetary bribes to entitlement suckers for future votes.
This from the meber who brags about intentionally not paying his bills
 
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Captain Tele has a severe issue with understanding what the debt ceiling is, and what it isn't.
 
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debt ceiling isnt a big deal at all
people just have misconceptions about what it is
 
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