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Togowack
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land and religion are one and the same thing.

I can't believe Jews themselves don't realize this. Israel is the promised land, the only physical thing besides the race of people themselves which has been promised by God. God promised 2 main things - to multiply Abrahams descendants which he did and to give him the land of Israel back in Exodus
 
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"israel created hamas" seems to be making the rounds at liberal blogs these days, i don't know anything about that

if israel did give them some funding in the past i imagine their platform was considerably different from what it is now
 
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Togowack
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I can't think of anything else more unimportant to the U.S. as when Israel was created.

at around 1946, all the US government could think about was WTF IS THIS SOVIET UNION - they were obviously the next enemy!

hamas descended from the Palestinian Arabs who are there and who have been trying to destroy Israel almost since they were created. Do people even bother looking at the history book or what.
 
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land and religion are one and the same thing.
land: natural resource
religion: fairy tale
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I can't believe Jews themselves don't realize this. Israel is the promised land, the only physical thing besides the race of people themselves which has been promised by God. God promised 2 main things - to multiply Abrahams descendants which he did and to give him the land of Israel back on Exodus
newsflash: this is all bull****
 
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Togowack
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wtf do you have to do with anything
 
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"israel created hamas" seems to be making the rounds at liberal blogs these days, i don't know anything about that
you don't read much but you sure are confident in your positions
 
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I can't think of anything else more unimportant to the U.S. as when Israel was created.

at around 1946, all the US government could think about was WTF IS THIS SOVIET UNION - they were obviously the next enemy!

hamas descended from the Palestinian Arabs who are there and who have been trying to destroy Israel almost since they were created. Do people even bother looking at the history book or what.
link me to your history book, it had better not have "KJV" on the cover.
 
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Togowack
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well

lets see how bout this

Moshe Dayan: Story of My Life (Paperback)
Amazon.com: Moshe Dayan: Story of My Life: Moshe Dayan: Books

The Israeli general behind the defeat of Arab forces in the 1967 and 1972 wars.

very good read.
 
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cyclozine
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you don't read much but you sure are confident in your positions
i read the same 3 stories on the issue you did

ok, israel funded the muslim brotherhood, it spawned hamas

what's your point?
 
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Smurphy
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i read the same 3 stories on the issue you did

ok, israel funded the muslim brotherhood, it spawned hamas

what's your point?
Any country that supports or harbors terrorists...
 
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cyclozine
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do you seriously believe that their goal in the past was the destruction of israel, and israel funded them? you have read even less than i did - the organizations they funded were nonviolent, and ended up spawning hamas.

i mean, i said "i don't know anything about that" because the few reputable stories out there hardly make me an expert, but it sounds like you just made **** up to fill in some sort of storyline you have in your head.
 
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Gallium
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uh no, Israel has zero problem playing enemy against enemy. And dont forget that the PLO refused to recognize Israel until we forced them into negotiations.
 
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Smurphy
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lols, it's about the hypocrisy

side A accuses side B of doing X when Side A also does X. Then they use X as justification for war.
 
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triple's argument might not have been the best but tse tse seems to know nothing about history
This from the guy who posted a fake fossil of a human+dinosaur footprint and expected us to take it seriously.
 
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uh no, Israel has zero problem playing enemy against enemy. And dont forget that the PLO refused to recognize Israel until we forced them into negotiations.
less rhetoric, more facts

israel funded muslim political organizations at an attempt to counteract the PLO - these organizations were nonviolent and focused on religious social/community work. eventually (much later) they spawned violent militias. 1 2

you and smurphy are claiming that israel funded religious militants to counteract the secular PLO. do you have any proof of this?
 
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land: natural resource
religion: fairy tale

newsflash: this is all bull****
The land there is not a resource in any way. It's a desolate ****hole that's barely habitable. The only reason anyone wants it is religious bull****.
 
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cyclozine
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it's the cradle of civilization, it contains some of the most fertile land there is (fertile crescent) and houses some of the longest continuously-inhabited communities in history. also, there were a bunch of people that used to live there and had their land taken away one way or another. you're just talking about the judean desert.
 
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Smurphy
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less rhetoric, more facts

israel funded muslim political organizations at an attempt to counteract the PLO - these organizations were nonviolent and focused on religious social/community work. eventually (much later) they spawned violent militias. 1 2

you and smurphy are claiming that israel funded religious militants to counteract the secular PLO. do you have any proof of this?
Where did i say that?
 
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mangaboy
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You're an idiot.
 
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Reno
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It's a ****hole filled with total ****ing morons fighting over sand. Nuke it and be done with it.
 
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