As usual, you are swinging at strawmen.
I don't disagree with your point and never have. It's merely a survey with limited responses and nobody... is claiming it represents ALL economists and such. This is your own paranoid strawman argument.
The Economist's poll of economists: Examining the candidates
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As usual, you are swinging at strawmen.
I don't disagree with your point and never have. It's merely a survey with limited responses and nobody... is claiming it represents ALL economists and such. This is your own paranoid strawman argument.
Only one specializes in economic development, and none of us majored in econ as undergrads. I specialize in health in full disclosure. But I'm more interested in why You don't like Berlin and consider him a socialist? I've never heard this interpretation before. Ive only read the excerpts given in classes, but usually he's taught as advocating individual freedoms over the "freedoms" of society. Not too much Marx in there, and I would guess notions of class consciousness would be appalling to him, but I don't know.
This is a lie.
Taken from RepublicanRespondents.pdf
Of course all of this is junk anyways since only 14 republicans were included in their little poll. The difference is 3-4 people in some case, is that definitive information for you tsetse? You want me to poll my wow guild for opinion on the war next? It'd be about as accurate.
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It's not a lie, although i oughta be more careful and remind you that i'm talking about the question about which person knows economics better. I notice you didnt cite that stat.
It's not a lie, although i oughta be more careful and remind you that i'm talking about the question about which person knows economics better. I notice you didnt cite that stat.
Nothing, because the data, while perfectly valid in its being data, is not strong enough to make a claim in any direction. In short this thread is just an outlet for useless bantering.It's not attempting to be a real polling methodology, tho. It's a very basic survey. Nothing more.
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The issue is what to make of it.
um.. welcome to TW?
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It's not a lie, although i oughta be more careful and just say i'm talking about the question about which person knows economics better. I notice you didnt cite that stat.
But you're not citing that stat when you claim the majority of republicans support obama's policies. They think he has a better grasp of a subject, but is still wrong. Is that a ringing endorsement?
"Who's policies do you support" is pretty straightforward. Yea, you lied out your ass. Not surprised.
For instance, you claimed:
"even tho the REPUBLICAN economists still preferred obama" - no. Lie.
The majority of the republican respondents think obama knows economics better than mccain.
71% of the independents felt the same.
That's what i said in the OP. I thought it was clear what we were talking about.
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No one can argue morals (including you) so to even say that someone is incorrect on the morals is pretty stupid. There is no single set of morals. There are norms, but everyone has slight differences in their beliefs.
And Keynesians (I guess a Keynesian in your world is just someone who doesn't agree with your beliefs?) will of course also have their own moral codes. I would guess that very few would accept murdering people in order to increase efficiency...but I'm not sure what your point is really. You go by your moral codes...others go by theirs. You might believe that government should regulate as little as possible and I believe that the implementation of regulations should depend upon the specific regulations themselves--some are good, some are bad.
So I'm kind of confused, since nothing you posted really contradicted me...
You can make nothing of it if you must. Obviously some here will. It's TW.
However, personally, i find it significant that 71% of the independents responded that they believe Obama knows economics better than Mccain and also felt that he would pick better economic people.
They also favored Obama's economic plans.
For those of us interested in the opinions of actually independent experts, that's significant.
No, that's not what you claimed. I quoted what your exact words, and that's not what you said. The cool thing about forums is you can't backtrack effectively, everything is written down for us to go back to.
I take that back, you definitely can, you just look like a total moron doing it.
Also, lets face it, a lot of the time so-called "unaffiliated" voters are definitely affiliated.
For example, you.
Your interest in the poll's respondents' opinions does not make the poll significant.
Oh, so now samples matter again too. Good to know.
If you take this as statistically accurate you're a moron. If you take this as an informal poll of economists, you're not there yet.
It's an optional survey sent to NBER members, who work in academia. Not only is the survey skewed by party, but by # of respondents, and the overall view of those working in academia (i.e. american liberalism).
Even republicans are going to be somewhat moderate if not outright support Obama in economics and/or general policy. Not to be anecdotal, but I had a republican american history guy who tried to claim jimmah carter was the best president ever.
(Just a quick question, aren't NBER members the guys who tell us we're in a recession or not? Just wondering. They sounded familiar.)
If you take this as statistically accurate you're a moron. If you take this as an informal poll of economists, you're not there yet.
It's an optional survey sent to NBER members, who work in academia. Not only is the survey skewed by party, but by # of respondents, and the overall view of those working in academia (i.e. american liberalism).
Even republicans are going to be somewhat moderate if not outright support Obama in economics and/or general policy. Not to be anecdotal, but I had a republican american history guy who tried to claim jimmah carter was the best president ever.
(Just a quick question, aren't NBER members the guys who tell us we're in a recession or not? Just wondering. They sounded familiar.)
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You didn't answer my question. Why should it matter to me at all what your major was?
He viewed individualism as "negative" and found that collectivism ("positive") was necessary for a "free" society. He advocated individualism over collectivism insofar as he believed that man was too depraved to exist peacefully within a collectivist politico-economic system. I don't recall his defense, but apologists of his generally use some Nashian game theory bullshit to prove their Machiavellian hatred for man.