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Originally Posted by Thriky
It is really messed up how the Chinese government seems to operate with regards to censorship and control. I mean maybe it's just my outsider perspective (UK), but it seems almost 1984-esque in how information is extensively manipulated and peoples' ability to express themselves is castrated — yet they've been conditioned to accept and tolerate it.
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Oh yes, let the guy from the UK give his "outsider" perspective on internet censorship and control
You're in a police state that's the very definition of 1984-esque.
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VeteranXX
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I saw this soon after it came out. The tea shop girl is awesome. I watched that part twice.
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Originally Posted by Got Haggis?
Clinton just came out and said that all governments should not restrict internet access.
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so what was her position on network neutrality? I duno, but if she was against that she needs to stuf.
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It's not so much that companies are "scared" of china. They just understand how the game is played there and do what they must to make money. A companies mentality to foreign affares is no different in that respect than any other country. For example, companies know that they would have to pay someone off if they wanted to go into Africa or SE Asia, or share technology in Venezuela.
Google is different from the norm because they really do take the "Dont be evil" motto to heart, and many who work there really work there with the idea that they are meant to change the world. They have to, because it was about getting money, all their employees would me making so much more working literally across the street at Yahoo, MS, Cisco, or any other giant tech company in the bay area.
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I'll give you a euphemism, right in your FACE
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I do like how we pretend we have any kind of pull over China.
China controls our entire economy and owns so much of our infrastructure they could crush us at a moment's notice if it suited them.
for now, though, they're pretty happy with getting large shipments of cash from us as we wonder where it went.
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VeteranXX
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Originally Posted by Bad_CRC
I do like how we pretend we have any kind of pull over China.
China controls our entire economy and owns so much of our infrastructure they could crush us at a moment's notice if it suited them.
for now, though, they're pretty happy with getting large shipments of cash from us as we wonder where it went.
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nigga please
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Originally Posted by Reggs
It's not so much that companies are "scared" of china. They just understand how the game is played there and do what they must to make money. A companies mentality to foreign affares is no different in that respect than any other country. For example, companies know that they would have to pay someone off if they wanted to go into Africa or SE Asia, or share technology in Venezuela.
Google is different from the norm because they really do take the "Dont be evil" motto to heart, and many who work there really work there with the idea that they are meant to change the world. They have to, because it was about getting money, all their employees would me making so much more working literally across the street at Yahoo, MS, Cisco, or any other giant tech company in the bay area.
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I'm pretty sure Google's wages are at least as good as other comparable tech firms. Salary figures don't reflect bonus structure and stock incentives (which, insiders say, is pretty ****ing huge).
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VeteranXX Contributor
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Originally Posted by Bad_CRC
I do like how we pretend we have any kind of pull over China.
China controls our entire economy and owns so much of our infrastructure they could crush us at a moment's notice if it suited them.
for now, though, they're pretty happy with getting large shipments of cash from us as we wonder where it went.
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Not without killing themselves in the process.
Which may be an option for them, I dunno.
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VeteranXV
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Originally Posted by Data
Not without killing themselves in the process.
Which may be an option for them, I dunno.
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Not to mention, all technicalities aside, to make somebody pay back a debt, you have to be able to Force them to pay back said debt. If it really came down to them attempting to crush us via espionage, economic instability, etc, I would like to see them Force the US to pay them.
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VeteranXV
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Originally Posted by Mindflayr
Not to mention, all technicalities aside, to make somebody pay back a debt, you have to be able to Force them to pay back said debt. If it really came down to them attempting to crush us via espionage, economic instability, etc, I would like to see them Force the US to pay them.
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all they would have to do is stop your supply of commodity
and they will do it. and have plenty for themselves.
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VeteranXV
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As Data already stated, they can't **** us without ****ing themselves. I hope they keep trying to hack our big corporations and government though.
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VeteranXV
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Originally Posted by Mindflayr
As Data already stated, they can't **** us without ****ing themselves. I hope they keep trying to hack our big corporations and government though.
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they have some of the highest savings rates in the world, and their GDP is growing at double digit rates. As the dollar declines they will find their people provide a stronger economic support than the US... they have 1.4 BILLION people who have been saving like crazy to draw from.
USA, Circa 1946. the military is the only advantage the US has against them
can and may very well end in any number of war scenarios, if they do short off commodities. we in north America don't even have enough arable land to support our own rations. its like a structured, engineered condition for world war.
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VeteranXX Contributor
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Originally Posted by Mindflayr
As Data already stated, they can't **** us without ****ing themselves. I hope they keep trying to hack our big corporations and government though.
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As long as they **** you more in the process, ****ing themselves isn't really that much of a deterrant.
Tirpitz Plan. Look it up if you don't understand the concept.
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VeteranXX
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Originally Posted by Reggs
Oh yes, let the guy from the UK give his "outsider" perspective on internet censorship and control
You're in a police state that's the very definition of 1984-esque.
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It's mildly amusing how the US in particular seems to have this view of the UK, whereas in reality it's probably one of the most relaxed countries in the world with regards to freedom of speech, immigration, and the general ability to live your life as you please. I guess you can thank the media for that.
Heavy CCTV monitoring of public areas is probably the only thing that dips its toes into the arena of 'police state', but I'm not particularly bothered by cameras covering busy streets. I'd rather one of those pick up some guy beating my head in outside a club or whatever than there to be no evidence. Cameras are also a good deterrent to gangs of chavs, so I'd rather have a camera watching me go down a road than have to walk by 10 meatheads out for trouble.
Internet control and censorship is pretty much non-existent here. There've been some fringe cases like where a few pieces of child pornography were censored by some ISPs as per an independent child protection company's recommendation, but there was a massive uproar (yes, really) and so the censorship was lifted.
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the internet is everything to you people
do you know that in china, most people work 16 hr days? that's how they produce a flat screen TV you can afford with 1/4 of your median income cheque. 10-20 years ago, before they had their economy in gear, the monitor you have on your desk now was worth as much as a car. A VCR, a couple years before they mass produced those, you would be the only one on your block with a new piece of new age tech.
USA and Canada are now best represented by Walmart, one of few companies that we know will never stop growing so long as the free world as we know it exists
where does walmart product come from? ships, from Asia, where people work 16-20 hrs a day, where they have been known to drop dead at their jobs.
thats what they said would happen 20 yrs ago now, and now we can safely predict our own gluttony of convenience will send us to war that we wish we never had to fight
and we'll lose it this time
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VeteranXX Contributor
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Originally Posted by Mindflayr
Not to mention, all technicalities aside, to make somebody pay back a debt, you have to be able to Force them to pay back said debt. If it really came down to them attempting to crush us via espionage, economic instability, etc, I would like to see them Force the US to pay them.
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This ^^
We just pretend they have any pull, until we really decide we don't want them to anymore.
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VeteranXX Contributor
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Originally Posted by Togowack
the internet is everything to you people
do you know that in china, most people work 16 hr days? that's how they produce a flat screen TV you can afford with 1/4 of your median income cheque. 10-20 years ago, before they had their economy in gear, the monitor you have on your desk now was worth as much as a car. A VCR, a couple years before they mass produced those, you would be the only one on your block with a new piece of new age tech.
USA and Canada are now best represented by Walmart, one of few companies that we know will never stop growing so long as the free world as we know it exists
where does walmart product come from? ships, from Asia, where people work 16-20 hrs a day, where they have been known to drop dead at their jobs.
thats what they said would happen 20 yrs ago now, and now we can safely predict our own gluttony of convenience will send us to war that we wish we never had to fight
and we'll lose it this time
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It's hysterical that you think [among other absurdities, of course] that we can't live without China's cheap, but basically flawed and dangerous product? US life would collapse and burn because we had to pay more for a tv?
Shut the **** up. We lived without their manufacturing 10-20 years ago, we can live without it again. If we experience a speed bump in our standard of living for a few years, really, no big whoop.
A flatscreen was worth as much as a car 20 years ago because the tech was new. it ain't new now. And the chinks weren't building them when they were new, because someone in the West invented it.
Besides, you think Japan wouldn't jump into any market we stripped from the Chinese? Or India?
Go back to reading Revelation.
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GriftKingXX
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we in north America don't even have enough arable land to support our own rations. its like a structured, engineered condition for world war.
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sorry what?
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VeteranX
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Originally Posted by Aly
It's because the western media more often gets Chinese news wrong. i.e always paint Chinese government as the bad guys when that is not always the case.
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yea im sure china has prefectly sane reasons to have mobile death squads
****ing chinks
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