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Originally Posted by Vanster
I'm more unusual in that I watch documentaries/lectures/explanations on Feynman, Maxwell, Bohr and the rest because it's fun to follow along as far as I can understand and then just be like, "wow, I am one stupid son of a *****, seriously."
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how impressive to surround yourself in the paraphernalia of the intelligentsia yet take pride in never actually learning anything yourself
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doesn't sound like "pride in never actually learning anything", sounds to me just like acknowledging that there's an awful lot out there still to learn.
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what's more likely
q is someone with high level security clearances and "in the know" who drops clues as to what's really going on
or an internet dude trolling to great success
hmm
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doesn't sound like "pride in never actually learning anything", sounds to me just like acknowledging that there's an awful lot out there still to learn.
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Exactly this. I have a body of knowledge and skill set but it's tiny in comparison with what's out there. Having B.S.*2 and Masters is absolutely nothing when you consider how much there is to know, and what other humans have learned.
When you consider all of quantum mechanics, statics, dynamics, and the maths we've invented to describe our observations, and when you compare it to the observable universe, it's really nothing. And that's just the universe we're aware of. In the end, we're apes with emotional issues.
That's really the problem I have with religious folk-- they're convinced they have every answer and are certain of all of it. The correlation to the 2 dozen inhabitants of this place logically follows, as they are convinced of same.
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Originally Posted by Vanster
Exactly this. I have a body of knowledge and skill set but it's tiny in comparison with what's out there. Having B.S.*2 and Masters is absolutely nothing when you consider how much there is to know, and what other humans have learned.
When you consider all of quantum mechanics, statics, dynamics, and the maths we've invented to describe our observations, and when you compare it to the observable universe, it's really nothing. And that's just the universe we're aware of. In the end, we're apes with emotional issues.
That's really the problem I have with religious folk-- they're convinced they have every answer and are certain of all of it. The correlation to the 2 dozen inhabitants of this place logically follows, as they are convinced of same.
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richard feynman, john von neumann, friedrich gauss have the right to stand in awe of the boundless inexplicability of the universe. those are people who spent every moment of their lives striving to understand the depths in spite of their poor ape like mentality, and who left behind the writings and proofs and experiments and inventions for others to continue their work, always pressing forward.
it's nothing but egotistical disrespect to stand with them at the finish line nodding your head at the great things "we've" achieved and yawning in vapid humility at the scope beyond. "we", you and i, haven't discovered anything. *they* did.
if you truly had any kinship whatsoever with these people, you would be studying, researching, working on theorems yourself. you're 90 years old but you aren't dead yet. each remaining hour is a chance to figure out one more piece of the puzzle, to leave our successors better off than we are, closer to understanding than our progenitors left us. it is a tall mountain and deathly unlikely that you shall ever near the summit, but why quit before trying? perhaps because it's so terribly convenient to throw your hands in the air and opine "it's just too much to learn, too much to figure out", that you yourself should never even attempt to do so.
why did idiotic religious believers like pascal, descartes, newton, etc make so many hundreds of discoveries when you the wise atheist have made zero? perhaps your childish fundamentalism is as irrelevant and unproductive in the fields of science as it is in the rest of life. you don't even begin to grasp the philosophical utility that faith brought to these minds, because you haven't read their works and you don't care to, so long as carl sagan is on the tv promising that he's just as stupid as you are.
i'd rather watch survivor. it doesn't turn you into a pompous blowhard *******.
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always remember
it's only a 100 years
to see what happens
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Originally Posted by Vanster
That's really the problem I have with religious folk-- they're convinced they have every answer and are certain of all of it.
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i feel the same way about anti-religious folk - they are convinced they have every answer and are certain of all of it.
faith and certainty are two different things.
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Originally Posted by bowl of blood
richard feynman, john von neumann, friedrich gauss have the right to stand in awe of the boundless inexplicability of the universe. those are people who spent every moment of their lives striving to understand the depths in spite of their poor ape like mentality, and who left behind the writings and proofs and experiments and inventions for others to continue their work, always pressing forward.
it's nothing but egotistical disrespect to stand with them at the finish line nodding your head at the great things "we've" achieved and yawning in vapid humility at the scope beyond. "we", you and i, haven't discovered anything. *they* did.
if you truly had any kinship whatsoever with these people, you would be studying, researching, working on theorems yourself. you're 90 years old but you aren't dead yet. each remaining hour is a chance to figure out one more piece of the puzzle, to leave our successors better off than we are, closer to understanding than our progenitors left us. it is a tall mountain and deathly unlikely that you shall ever near the summit, but why quit before trying? perhaps because it's so terribly convenient to throw your hands in the air and opine "it's just too much to learn, too much to figure out", that you yourself should never even attempt to do so.
why did idiotic religious believers like pascal, descartes, newton, etc make so many hundreds of discoveries when you the wise atheist have made zero? perhaps your childish fundamentalism is as irrelevant and unproductive in the fields of science as it is in the rest of life. you don't even begin to grasp the philosophical utility that faith brought to these minds, because you haven't read their works and you don't care to, so long as carl sagan is on the tv promising that he's just as stupid as you are.
i'd rather watch survivor. it doesn't turn you into a pompous blowhard *******.
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god helps those that help themselves
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Originally Posted by bowl of blood
richard feynman, john von neumann, friedrich gauss have the right to stand in awe of the boundless inexplicability of the universe. those are people who spent every moment of their lives striving to understand the depths in spite of their poor ape like mentality, and who left behind the writings and proofs and experiments and inventions for others to continue their work, always pressing forward.
it's nothing but egotistical disrespect to stand with them at the finish line nodding your head at the great things "we've" achieved and yawning in vapid humility at the scope beyond. "we", you and i, haven't discovered anything. *they* did.
if you truly had any kinship whatsoever with these people, you would be studying, researching, working on theorems yourself. you're 90 years old but you aren't dead yet. each remaining hour is a chance to figure out one more piece of the puzzle, to leave our successors better off than we are, closer to understanding than our progenitors left us. it is a tall mountain and deathly unlikely that you shall ever near the summit, but why quit before trying? perhaps because it's so terribly convenient to throw your hands in the air and opine "it's just too much to learn, too much to figure out", that you yourself should never even attempt to do so.
why did idiotic religious believers like pascal, descartes, newton, etc make so many hundreds of discoveries when you the wise atheist have made zero? perhaps your childish fundamentalism is as irrelevant and unproductive in the fields of science as it is in the rest of life. you don't even begin to grasp the philosophical utility that faith brought to these minds, because you haven't read their works and you don't care to, so long as carl sagan is on the tv promising that he's just as stupid as you are.
i'd rather watch survivor. it doesn't turn you into a pompous blowhard *******.
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GOD DAMN
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vanster doesn't even know that the catholic, lutheran, presbyterian, and methodist churches all teach the theory of evolution
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VeteranXX
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progressives are the ones that have more of a problem with evolution than creationist fundies
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VeteranXX Contributor
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I'm sure a left wing media factory is nothing short of fair and balanced in its presentation of what it perceives as fact
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Originally Posted by bowl of blood
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it's nothing but egotistical disrespect to stand with them at the finish line nodding your head at the great things "we've" achieved and yawning in vapid humility at the scope beyond. "we", you and i, haven't discovered anything. *they* did.
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i'd rather watch survivor. it doesn't turn you into a pompous blowhard *******.
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There's a whole lot of 'knowing your limits' in there, though. Not everyone can be the next Einstein, or Feynman, or Hawking, or whoever you want to name. There are those people out there of absolutely staggering intelligence working on problems that you and I aren't even bright enough to realize even exist.
There's a guy here in Australia in years gone by who was a bit of a comic radio host, who got his start during a breakfast radio outside broadcast at the university he was a maths student at. He'd done a stand-up bit in a talent quest thingy at the uni and they got him in when they were doing the weather to give a bit of silly maths trivia about the numbers they were reading out during the weather. So yeah, reasonably accomplished "smart guy", but by his own admission, he'd happily noted that in a room full of people, he was pretty damn smart. But in a room full of "proper" mathematicians, he was dumber than a hammer.
We can't all be working on solving the latest unsolvable theorem. But maybe that guy struck a chord with some kid somewhere that let him be happy that Maths could be fun, and let that kid go on and learn some more, and maybe that kid is out there now working on that. Or maybe he's not, maybe he's a high school maths teacher, and he's teaching someone and that kid will be doing it. Who knows? Maybe you're out driving a pooptruck and picking up the poop from that kids house so he doesn't have to smell it and he can get on with his homework without distraction, and you're helping that way.
That's kind of what existing in a society is about. We don't all have to be doing everything ourselves. We do what we can, where we can, and as such we contribute our bits and pieces to support the whole, and together we can produce all those results.
You may not have put the "QED" on the end, but maybe you helped to get a decimal point in there somewhere.
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all well and grand til you come down with a condescending attitude about how i'm only incurious because i'm so humble, you're incurious because you're an ignorant piece of ****
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VeteranXX Contributor
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maybe I read it differently
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omg dutch is q?
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Not sure if the religious are always so "certain of their beliefs." I'm religious. But compared to some others, I don't know duck****.
Like Havax said, it's more a matter of faith than "certainty."
Yet if you challenge the faith of the high and mighty religious leaders, of course they are going to reply with "some degree of certainty" because their faith is greater.
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