VeteranXX
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Originally Posted by havax
LMAO
If this whole thing was so urgent as to be about nuclear documents then why did they wait months to get it? Doesnt sound like much of an immediate national security threat to me.
What a complete bunch of bull**** lol
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VeteranXX Contributor
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You got anymore of them liberal fever dreams?
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VeteranXV Contributor
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Originally Posted by Synth
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Yep that's exactly what you'll be doing soon when yet another attempt to take Trump down turns out to be another nothing burger
I've seen it now at least a hundred times
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Whiny BitchX Contributor
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Originally Posted by Vanster
That's how I see it.
Trump changed his mind, and is now saying that the warrant should be made public. I don't understand this thinking, because once the public sees which classified documents he took, it's the equivalent of him shooting himself in the foot. Whatever, I'm looking forward to reading it.
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The public is not going to see which classified documents he took, certainly not the SAPs. Trump's been campaigning on bad actors maliciously persecuting him for 6 years and 3 election cycles, why should this be any different? Even now you've got people who believe he was selling nuclear secrets to North Korea, when the far more likely case is an administrative process was ****ed up by someone, somewhere and if it's litigated at all it will be about paperwork and ultimately amount to nothing.
I'm not even sure if Mar-a-Lago still has a SCIF or not. If it does and the documents were properly stored in it (properly simply meaning following GSA approved storage even if they shouldn't have been there to begin with) then this is a no harm, no foul situation and a slap on the wrist, especially with the documents recovered. Worst case the person responsible loses their clearance, assuming you can prove who that person was.
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VeteranXX Contributor
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Originally Posted by Fool
The public is not going to see which classified documents he took, certainly not the SAPs. Trump's been campaigning on bad actors maliciously persecuting him for 6 years and 3 election cycles, why should this be any different? Even now you've got people who believe he was selling nuclear secrets to North Korea, when the far more likely case is an administrative process was ****ed up by someone, somewhere and if it's litigated at all it will be about paperwork and ultimately amount to nothing.
I'm not even sure if Mar-a-Lago still has a SCIF or not. If it does and the documents were properly stored in it (properly simply meaning following GSA approved storage even if they shouldn't have been there to begin with) then this is a no harm, no foul situation and a slap on the wrist, especially with the documents recovered. Worst case the person responsible loses their clearance, assuming you can prove who that person was.
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Except we are talking about the dnc and the press. This calls for a public execution followed by quartering and the pieces spread throughout the land. Trumps head will be put on a spike in front of the AGs office.
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Whiny BitchX Contributor
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Originally Posted by Ztir
If he actually had classified documents with nuclear codes or whatever on them, like you said, why did they wait months to do anything about it?
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"Nuclear codes" are random number strings generated by the NSA daily. Anyone who actually thinks Trump stole functional nuclear codes is an idiot. They should be making fun of Trump for thinking 2 year old nuclear codes might still work.
The most likely answer to your question is there was no reason to do anything. If the documents were properly secured, say in the SCIF at Mar-a-Lago, then there is no imminent danger. It's literally procedural. Classified material is routinely transported by hand, for example a cleared courier can literally take some on a plane so long as they don't check their luggage and use carry-on.
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VeteranXX Contributor
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Originally Posted by havax
Yep that's exactly what you'll be doing soon when yet another attempt to take Trump down turns out to be another nothing burger
I've seen it now at least a hundred times
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It's funny that you don't realize he's just like the swamp you hate.
He does stupid/illegal ****, and nothing comes of it.
Rules for thee
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VeteranXV Contributor
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Originally Posted by Lozza Mate
It's funny that you don't realize he's just like the swamp you hate.
He does stupid/illegal ****, and nothing comes of it.
Rules for thee
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If I had a dime for every time I heard a libtard say this to me and then are not able to list any illegal **** or convicted crimes that Trump committed, I'd be a millionaire by now.
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VeteranXX Contributor
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Kinda like Hillary huh?
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VeteranXV Contributor
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Originally Posted by Lozza Mate
Kinda like Hillary huh?
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Actually no, James Comey himself came on national television and stated that there was indeed evidence that she broke the law with classified emails.
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VeteranXX Contributor
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But no convictions.
Did stuff, no consequences
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VeteranXV Contributor
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Originally Posted by Lozza Mate
But no convictions.
Did stuff, no consequences
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Exactly. There's no evidence or proof that I've seen yet of trump doing illegal **** and if there is I'm certain that they're not going to let him get away with it like they did Hillary
And the biggest difference of this all is that Trump has been a president already, Hillary had not, and yet she was still able to run in 2016.
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Last edited by havax; 08-12-2022 at 20:54..
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VeteranXX
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Originally Posted by Fool
"Nuclear codes" are random number strings generated by the NSA daily. Anyone who actually thinks Trump stole functional nuclear codes is an idiot. They should be making fun of Trump for thinking 2 year old nuclear codes might still work.
The most likely answer to your question is there was no reason to do anything. If the documents were properly secured, say in the SCIF at Mar-a-Lago, then there is no imminent danger. It's literally procedural. Classified material is routinely transported by hand, for example a cleared courier can literally take some on a plane so long as they don't check their luggage and use carry-on.
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Surely there is a difference between a cleared courier transporting classified documents and having a box of classified documents in your basement when you're not the leader of the country and the fbi raiding you to get them back, right?
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VeteranXX
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Originally Posted by Fool
"Nuclear codes" are random number strings generated by the NSA daily. Anyone who actually thinks Trump stole functional nuclear codes is an idiot. They should be making fun of Trump for thinking 2 year old nuclear codes might still work.
The most likely answer to your question is there was no reason to do anything. If the documents were properly secured, say in the SCIF at Mar-a-Lago, then there is no imminent danger. It's literally procedural. Classified material is routinely transported by hand, for example a cleared courier can literally take some on a plane so long as they don't check their luggage and use carry-on.
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i hope its a pink post-it note with nuclear codes and doodles of ****
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VeteranXX Contributor
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Originally Posted by Lozza Mate
Kinda like Hillary huh?
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Depends if documents were properly stored as fool mentioned. Hillary had classified documents on a personal server that didn’t comply with comsec.
I probably spoke my opinion too soon (as I tend to do), there is a lot I do not know. But I have questions
1. Does an ex-president retain their clearance after leaving office?
2. Do they still have a need to know with respect to certain areas like the documents he had possession of?
3. Do they retain proper storage for such after leaving office?
Trump is such a wildcard it really could go many different ways.
Guess time may tell
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VeteranXX Contributor
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Of course you trust him
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Whiny BitchX Contributor
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Originally Posted by Ztir
Surely there is a difference between a cleared courier transporting classified documents and having a box of classified documents in your basement when you're not the leader of the country and the fbi raiding you to get them back, right?
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Well again I don't know the exact circumstances here, but unless you can tell me that he was storing them in an unsecure basement you're rampantly speculating in a manner that suits your argument. If the documents were classified during his presidency, and have been in his possession the whole time (so to speak), what danger does it pose for him to be able to read without his Presidential access a document he already read when he had his Presidential access? If they are in a secure facility, there's minimal risk to the documents leaking. Hence the lack of urgency.
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