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this thread is about the definition of terrorism. if anyone voices a single opinion or fact about presidents or even mentions one by name, the thread will be locked and your account will be deleted. thank you.
My layperson's definition of terrorism is that it is:
1) an attack (usually bombing or kidnapping)
2) on civilians
3) with premeditated intent
4) instilling terror (that further attacks may occur)
WITH THE GOAL OF:
5) making a demand from the public
The three classic examples of terrorism aiui are:
- Black September
- IRA car bombings
- Two Towers
Let's take Black September.
1) They kidnapped
2) the Israeli Olympians
3) with a small team of armed infiltrators who traveled across a continent
4) creating a hostage situation that lasted a day
5) to demand the release of hundreds of Palestinian prisoners
Does the Capitol attack meet these criteria? It was
1) An occupation
2) of a functional government building
3) spurred by a rioting mob of apes
4) targeting a one-time-only event
5) with intent to physically arrest the continuation of that event
No. It does not meet a single criterion except being an attack (arguably an attempted kidnapping/murder). So which of my criteria is wrong?
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VeteranXX Contributor
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It clearly wasn't "terrorism," but then again, terrorism is a nonsense word that can be applied to any action by any individual or group you don't like that isn't following the laws.
Most of the people who went into the Capitol just leisurely strolled in. No one burned anything down or ransacked the place. The few that took podiums/items/whatever should be charged, along with the few that broke into the double doors.
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VeteranX
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Yeah, so now it's called "The Capitol Riots" instead of "protest."
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VeteranXX
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Low actual terrorism, high potential to be terrorism
Which is to say I don't think it is terrorism, but was also very close to being an awful lot of terrorism
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VeteranXX Contributor
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I will never understand how someone can commit a 'terrorist attack' against a military or agent of the State. It makes no sense whatsoever.
As I stated in another thread, at the rate the word terrorist is being thrown around, we are going to have to alter the history books and start to call or refer to the Japanese Kamikazes as terrorists. It will never end with these people.
A terroristic act is an attack against the citizens to force the govt or authorities to change something the 'terrorists' want.
Member after 9/11, we kept hearing over and over and over, "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."
Can a govt commit a terrorist act against a foreign nation they are at war with?
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VeteranXX
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Originally Posted by Validuz
It clearly wasn't "terrorism," but then again, terrorism is a nonsense word that can be applied to any action by any individual or group you don't like that isn't following the laws.
Most of the people who went into the Capitol just leisurely strolled in. No one burned anything down or ransacked the place. The few that took podiums/items/whatever should be charged, along with the few that broke into the double doors.
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The most open and shut case of terrorism.
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VeteranXX Contributor
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Originally Posted by absent
The most open and shut case of terrorism.
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You heard it here first folks... taxpayers breaking taxpayer paid for windows is an act of terrorism.
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VeteranXX
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Not only that, breaking in with the intent of trying to capture and assassinate democratically elected representatives is terrorism.
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VeteranXX
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Attempting to overthrow a democratic election based on paranoid schizophrenia and install Orange Man as dictator-for-life is terrorism.
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VeteranXX Contributor
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Originally Posted by absent
Not only that, breaking in with the intent of trying to capture and assassinate democratically elected representatives is terrorism.
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Perfect.
Make the agents of the State invincible and any act against their authority is an act of terrorism.
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VeteranXX
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You got it in one. In a democracy, the elected representatives are inviolable. Now I understand that you think it should only be the Republicans who are thus protected, but no, it actually encompasses all of them. Trying to murder said representatives is indeed terrorism.
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VeteranXX Contributor
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I want to get onboard but you chose to number your points when bullets would HAVE clearly been better.
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VeteranXX Contributor
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After viewing absents evidence I must say we produce some ****ty ass ****ing terrorists. The broke some windows. Pushed on a fence and got pushed back by cops. Half the ****ing terrorist morons are taking videos and pictures.
**** they need to get their **** together.
I wonder if 9/11 was not planned. Some dudes on random airplanes started talking and realized they all had box cutters and hated the US government. One thing lead to another and they crashed the planes. Something to think about now.
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VeteranXX
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Terrorism is the wrong word. Riot is more accurate. It was a mob of angry people who felt wronged (felt like the election was rigged/stolen) and directed their anger at who they felt wronged them (the government).
It's no different than when the left felt wronged by the legal system and directed their anger toward police officers (although lets be honest, watching the videos revealed that most of them just wanted free stuff from their local stores).
What I find funny is the left calling the right "bunker boys" when they didn't support their riots, but now that the right is rioting the left is calling them "terrorists" and want them all executed by firing squad.
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VeteranXX Contributor
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It doesn't meet your definition because your definition is wrong.
The dictionary says: "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."
That's the general idea that most experts agree on, and it fits. It's a mild case, but it fits.
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VeteranXX
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of course it wasn't terrorism
it was an attempted coup
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VeteranXV Contributor
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well, the one thing we all need to remember here is that absent is a foreign nazi wannabe piece of **** that hates america, so there's that.
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VeteranXX
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Originally Posted by DocHolliday
After viewing absents evidence I must say we produce some ****ty ass ****ing terrorists. The broke some windows. Pushed on a fence and got pushed back by cops. Half the ****ing terrorist morons are taking videos and pictures.
**** they need to get their **** together.
I wonder if 9/11 was not planned. Some dudes on random airplanes started talking and realized they all had box cutters and hated the US government. One thing lead to another and they crashed the planes. Something to think about now.
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Totally with you, American conservatards can't organize themselves out of a wet paper bag as the saying goes. Anyway, y'all got caught with the **** already in your pants, no use pulling them down at this point.
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Originally Posted by havax
well, the one thing we all need to remember here is that absent is a foreign nazi wannabe piece of **** that hates america, so there's that.
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Totally wrecked you, run off now.
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Originally Posted by absent
Not only that, breaking in with the intent of trying to capture and assassinate democratically elected representatives is terrorism.
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can you give a generic definition of terrorism please? because now you're saying attempted assassination is terrorism but assassination is clearly assassination
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