Things you can't have in Europe
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Fact 1 – Evidence - From Day One the EU made it perfectly clear that it would punish the UK
On the morning after the EU Referendum, EU Commission President Jean-
Juncker gave an interview to the German TV channel ARD and also gave an EU press conference in Brussels.1.1 Interview with German TV channel ARD, 24 June 2016:
“This is not an amicable divorce.” - Jean
Juncker, EU Commission President, 24 June 2016Readers will note that President Juncker did not employ the future tense, nor did he suggest any doubt by using a word such as 'might' or 'could'. This was a declaration. Given that President Juncker had had no contact with the UK Government at this point, his statement was clearly one of hostile intent, not a reaction to anything said or done by the British Government.
1.2 Press conference, Brussels, same day:
Herr Juncker started with: “Ladies and gentlemen and - for some of you - dear friends….”
The EU Commission President commonly used the term 'Dear friends' when addressing a room. The clear implication of his qualification on this occasion - "and for some of you" - was that any British people in the room were no longer friends.
He then announced that a meeting had already taken place earlier that morning at the highest levels to discuss “the situation we are in after the British people expressed its views on their… er… [long pause...] next situation.” Readers will note that speaking ad lib like this, President Juncker could not even bring himself to utter the words “decision to leave the European Union”. Instead he refers to the British people’s “next situation”.
The angry walkout
When asked a question by a journalist about the implications of Brexit for the EU as a whole, Jean-
Juncker abruptly closed his papers and angrily walked out of the press conference.And the journalist who prompted Herr Juncker’s petulant departure? Why, none other than Katya Adler, the same BBC Europe Editor who is now telling the British public that the EU is not setting out to punish the UK. What’s more, Ms Adler has been witness at first hand to numerous subsequent examples of the anger and hostility exhibited by the EU over the many years since the Referendum result was declared.
Fact 2 – Evidence - EU banned UK from speaking to member states and delayed talks by a year
After the UK voted for Brexit in June 2016, in a normal world informal talks would have started within weeks. So why didn’t they? In the UK’s case, action was relatively swift.
The UK's Chief Negotiator, the Rt Hon David Davis MP, was appointed within 3 weeks of the Referendum
The EU didn't have a negotiator in place for almost 6 months
Meanwhile, the unelected EU Commission gave a diktat that there would be
“No negotiations before notification [of Article 50].”
There was no basis in EU law nor in any Treaty provisions for this EU diktat.
Fact 3 – Evidence - Numerous hostile announcements have been made by the EU and leaders of member countries
Below we show just three out of many examples of the hostile attitude from the EU to the UK, before the EU would even allow any talks of any kind to start.
“We intend to teach people... what leaving the Single Market means” - Chief EU Negotiator Michel Barnier, 2 Sept 2017
“There needs to be a threat, there must be a risk, there must be a price.” - Former French President Francois Hollande, 15 Sept 2016
“This is not an amicable divorce.”(This was on the day of the Referendum result.) - EU Commission President Jean-
Juncker, 24 June 2016The above are just three examples of the aggressive and bullying attitude of the EU since the UK voted for Brexit.
Fact 4 – Evidence - EU banned discussion of trade until Withdrawal Agreement was signed
Even before the EU was ready to start negotiations, they demanded that no discussions of the future relationship could begin before the Withdrawal Agreement was agreed. They reiterated this many times, and here is just one example:
“Discussions on the framework for a future relationship with the United Kingdom will only begin once sufficient progress has been made in the first phase of the negotiations. It will be for the European Council to decide whether there has been sufficient progress.”
- EU Commission, 03 May 2017
Fact 5 - Evidence - EU insisted on three arbitrary items to be agreed before trade talks could start
A few months after the Referendum, the EU suddenly insisted that three items should be agreed upon before anything else could be discussed. These were:-
The financial settlement, aka the ‘Divorce Bill’
Citizens’ rights
The Northern Ireland border
None of these were in any way required by the terms of Article 50 of the EU Treaty which defined the exit process. These were three arbitrary items chosen and insisted upon by the EU, and which prevented any trade talks even commencing until three years and eight months after the British people had voted to leave the European Union.
In fact the UK had already offered to guarantee citizens' rights in November 2016. This offer was rejected on 29 Nov 2016 by the then EU Council President Donald Tusk and by Angela Merkel, German Chancellor.
Fact 6 – Evidence - EU weaponised and endangered the Belfast Agreement, threatening peace
Regrettably the EU colluded with the government of the Republic of Ireland to capture part of the sovereign territory of the United Kingdom, as part of its intended punishment of the people of the UK for voting to leave the EU. Any objective look at the facts demonstrates this beyond a doubt.
OUR IRISH BORDER SUMMARY
”The Withdrawal Agreement clearly rips the Good Friday Agreement apart” – Lord Trimble, Peace Prize winner
The Irish border is only mentioned once – in passing – in the Good Friday Agreement (GFA)
The GFA does not require membership of the EU, Customs Union, Single Market [NI court ruling]
HMRC, Irish Customs, and the EU Parliament’s expert report all saw no problem & no hard border
The EU and the Irish government then prevented HMRC and Irish Customs from talking to each other
Brexit for Northern Ireland presents almost no risk to the EU or its Single Market
The N.I. exports over the border will account for only 0.2% of total EU imports
The EU and the Irish Government prevented UK and Irish Customs from agreeing a simple solution
It is worth reading what one of the two main architects of the Belfast Agreement, The Rt Hon The Lord Trimble PC had to say on what the EU has done. Lord Trimble received the Nobel Peace Prize for his work leading to the Good Friday Agreement, so his words carry weight.
The EU's Withdrawal Agreement breaks the Good Friday Agreement
Says Nobel Peace Prize Winner - and one of the two main architects of it
“The Withdrawal Agreement clearly rips the GFA [Good Friday Agreement] apart.
“Since the laws governing 60 per cent of economic activity in NI will no longer be made at Westminster or by the devolved Assembly, but by an outside law-making body, the EU, and those laws will be subject to interpretation by a non-UK court, clearly the constitutional position of NI has been changed without the consent of the people of NI as required by the GFA.
“Furthermore, there is no way in which the people affected by those decisions will even have a say in the making or application of them.”
- The Rt Hon The Lord Trimble PC, 11 July 2020, CBP Report
Fact 7 – Evidence - Northern Ireland Protocol 'colonises' part of sovereign territory of the UK
Here was the Prime Minister in September:-
“We are being told that the EU will not only impose tariffs on goods moving from Great Britain to Northern Ireland, but that they might actually stop the transport of food products from GB to NI.
“I have to say that we never seriously believed that the EU would be willing to use a Treaty, negotiated in good faith, to blockade one part of the UK, to cut it off; or that they would actually threaten to destroy the economic and territorial integrity of the UK. This was for the very good reason that any such barrier, any such tariffs or division would be completely contrary to the letter and the spirit of the Good Friday agreement. By actively undermining the Union of our country, such an interpretation would seriously endanger peace and stability in Northern Ireland.”
British Prime Minister, Boris Johnson, writing for the Daily Telegraph, 12 Sept 2020
As we reported in Part Two of this series, the EU’s ‘Northern Ireland Protocol’ foisted on the UK breaks the terms of the Belfast (Good Friday) Agreement, as it rides roughshod over the basic principle of consent contained in the Agreement in addition to many other egregious clauses.
A new treaty - the Withdrawal Agreement - cannot and should not contravene or replace the terms of another treaty, especially not the Belfast (‘Good Friday’) Agreement. Yet that is what the EU’s Withdrawal Agreement does.
It needs repeating: a foreign power is effectively threatening to annex part of the United Kingdom.
Fact 8 - Evidence - EU still claims UK territorial waters as its own, or no trade deal
As if the quasi-annexation of part of the United Kingdom’s land mass were not enough, the EU has pursued its claim for unfettered access to the UK’s coastal waters.
For a foreign power to assume rights over UK waters is in and of itself quite extraordinary. Yet that has been the default position of the EU since the beginning. Even at the time of writing the EU Parliament continues its insistence that no trade deal will be approved unless the UK meekly hands over its new international rights to its coastal waters to the EU from 31 December 2020.
The EU Parliament is at one with the EU Commission’s negotiating mandate regarding fishing. Here is their resolution in June of this year about this:
“The European Parliament… reaffirms that no trade agreement can be concluded between the EU and the UK if it does not include a complete, sustainable, balanced and long-term fisheries agreement, upholding the continuation under optimal conditions of existing access to waters, resources and markets in accordance with common fisheries policy (CFP) principles and adopted before the end of the transition period.”
- Adopted text by EU Parliament, 18 June 2020
In other words, the extraordinary demands of the EU’s Common Fisheries Policy must stay in place – full access, everything – or the EU will not approve a trade deal. It almost defies belief, but we have it all from them in black and white.
Fact 9 - Evidence - For the vast majority of the time, the EU has made the “trade talks” about other issues
One example of how the EU machine has never been serious about maintaining its member countries’ trading relationship with the UK is its strange insistence on discussing a wide range of non-trade issues in the ‘trade talks’.
We chose a week from this year at random. In the week commencing 29 June 2020, only two 2-hour sessions took place specifically on trade issues. In that week there were:
Two hours negotiating on trade in goods
Two hours negotiating on trade in services
The rest of the time was spent on a range of side issues, at the EU’s insistence.
Fact 10 – Evidence - Demands of EU Commission and Parliament are unprecedented in any Free Trade Agreement
On 12 Feb 2020 in Strasbourg, the MEPs of the EU Parliament debated the draft negotiating guidelines put forward by the EU Commission, as strengthened by their own even stronger demands. The eventual motion passed with ease.
EU Parliament demands full UK subservience - or no trade deal
93% of MEPs impose impossible conditions on UK, in punishment vote
MEPs voted by 543 to 39 in favour of a motion which would destroy any hope of a reasonable EU-UK trade deal by the end of this year.
BREXIT FACTS4EU.ORG SUMMARY
The demands of the “Trade Prevention Officers” of the EU Parliament
UK laws must follow EU laws – existing and future
The European Court of Justice will arbitrate on all matters of EU law imposed on the UK
UK must give up its rights to its own territorial waters, or no deal
UK must guarantee to have equal laws on social, environmental, tax, state aid, consumer protection, climate matters, competition, labour standards, environmental protection, and more
UK must follow EU actions on almost everything
Gibraltar will not be included, so that the Spanish can use it to claim sovereignty once again
The EU Parliament’s full list of demands is here
The EU Commission’s full list of demands is here
Here is Michel Barnier last month, in typically intransigent form
In its latest debate on Brexit on 21 October 2020, MEPs stressed the need to reach an agreement on EU-UK future relations that does not compromise EU interests and values. Here is Chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier, addressing the EU Parliament on that day, and going even further:-
“The European Union's attitude to these negotiations has in no way shifted and will not shift, not up until the very last day and not even then. We will remain calm, constructive and respectful, but we will also remain firm and determined when it comes to defending the principles and the interests of each of the EU member states and the EU itself.”
- EU Chief Negotiator Michel Barnier, 21 Oct 2020
Never to our knowledge has any party to a trade negotiation ever insisted that its demands from the start to the end of the process are so immovable. To do this would be to remove the element of ‘negotiation’ from the term ‘trade negotiations’. Yet this is effectively what the EU has done.
no wonder havax thinks it's outrageous
No no, you aren't understanding. There are 48 states full of people that want to help you do it. I've been a member (and kicked out of) the Texas secessionist movement multiple times, and all I did was ask them how I could help them get out faster.
We will not miss either state, and are willing to help you out. Let me know what we can do.
yeah..its stronger for the weaker members, not so much for the stronger members
President? We will elect him Führer.
Fact 1 – Evidence - From Day One the EU made it perfectly clear that it would punish the UK
On the morning after the EU Referendum, EU Commission President Jean-
1.1 Interview with German TV channel ARD, 24 June 2016:
“This is not an amicable divorce.” - Jean
Readers will note that President Juncker did not employ the future tense, nor did he suggest any doubt by using a word such as 'might' or 'could'. This was a declaration. Given that President Juncker had had no contact with the UK Government at this point, his statement was clearly one of hostile intent, not a reaction to anything said or done by the British Government.
1.2 Press conference, Brussels, same day:
Herr Juncker started with: “Ladies and gentlemen and - for some of you - dear friends….”
The EU Commission President commonly used the term 'Dear friends' when addressing a room. The clear implication . . .
He then announced . . . [long pause...] . . . . Readers will note that speaking ad lib like this, President Juncker could not even bring himself to utter the words “decision to leave the European Union”. Instead he refers to the British people’s “next situation”. . . .
The angry walkout
When asked a question by a journalist about the implications of Brexit for the EU as a whole, Jean-
blah blah, and more blah
EU broke no international law, and Brexit is now a joke, and most of the UK wants to come back. Not going to be easy, but they can come back.
Thanks for the cut and paste, perhaps some day you will post words of your own that aren't, "Goddamn you are such a stupid pile of shit."
We won't be holding our breath.
'most of the uk' is probably swayed by the onslaught of pro EU bullshit. Not realizing that they are actually the big dog in the fight and the rest of the EU needs them way worse than they need the countries beneath them that are teeming with third world mongrels
cael
Veteran XX
i don't think they can let the uk back in they need someone they can point to as a warning for the rest of em
u don't wanna end up like these idiots
UK falls into recession, with worst GDP performance in 2023 in years | CNN Business
u don't wanna end up like these idiots
UK falls into recession, with worst GDP performance in 2023 in years | CNN Business
nope...most people in the UK, as everywhere, are dumb and easily led. They believed the exact same shit as you when it was fed to them by the exact same people, and that's why they are now fucked economically
They aren't fucked, but they are in an economic downturn, as every country that elects conservatives, until they are ousted again.
That angry walkout was quite the punishment.
So many hurt feelings.
conservatives are what fix downturned economies. Liberals are what fucks them up. It doesn't take an economist to figure that out.