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You left out having exactly what we have now.
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Current state of US broadband is a **** show and we invented the internet. It's embarrassing.
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VeteranXX
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Originally Posted by Captain Tele
i got a solution
stop centralizing the internet
the less centralized it is the better it functions and free-er it is
just like bitcoin
giving whatever is left to the gub or charter/comcast is very bad idea
will end badly
already did
the end
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So who should be in charge of stopping the centralization of the internet? If someone tries to centralize the internet, who should intervene?
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In the other thread, i was pretty much *****ing about the lack of choices for my provider. Where i live, we have Comcast for broadband and AT&T for DSL and that... that's pretty much it. Nothing remotely close to living in a capitalist society.
Yesterday i was downstairs, getting ready to take my dog outside for a piss break when an AT&T/Directv salesperson came to my door. I asked them "what are you selling?" to which she replied, "Im blah blah from AT&T/Directv and i wanted to let you know that your area is part of a pilot program for fiberoptics. You will get 100 up and down. Is this...." to which i interrupted her and said, "sign me up!"
Monday, they should be here to hook me up and i can finally cancel Comcast and live in the 21st century. So stoked!
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Originally Posted by jgrange
Current state of US broadband is a **** show and we invented the internet. It's embarrassing.
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same goes and went for cell phone tech over past 50 years
try to pay attention and not just *****
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Originally Posted by Amadeus
So who should be in charge of stopping the centralization of the internet? If someone tries to centralize the internet, who should intervene?
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competition would intervene. consumers would intervene.
i know this concept is Greek to you, but that is how markets work.
the same people who are "in charge" of bitcoin would intervene
who control the darknet would intervene
who run black markets would intervene
if you don't grasp this yet I don't know what to tell you
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Originally Posted by samUwell
Monday, they should be here to hook me up and i can finally cancel Comcast and live in the 21st century. So stoked!
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stoked to get an AT&T product when compared to other choices
this is how we definitively know we still don't have viable alternatives with ISP providers
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VeteranXV
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Originally Posted by Amadeus
So who should be in charge of stopping the centralization of the internet? If someone tries to centralize the internet, who should intervene?
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isn't he implying non-intervention?
for some reason getting out of the way and doing nothing is never considered a practical solution to moral busybodies
we can't remove one failing piece of legislation without having another(equally terrible) one to replace it with
letting collectivist/leftist lobbyists larp as policy experts and economists has managed to effectively destroy one industry after another(housing, healthcare, value of fiat currency), and we're supposed to want these people to be in control of the internet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvMGHzB37lo
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but who will control the world under a decentralized platform of completely different countries?
i mean this is as delusional and daft Amadeus is to the larger point i am making
explaining it further is beyond futile i am afraid to say
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Originally Posted by Greedo909
isn't he implying non-intervention?
for some reason getting out of the way and doing nothing is never considered a practical solution to moral busybodies
we can't remove one failing piece of legislation without having another(equally terrible) one to replace it with
letting collectivist/leftist lobbyists larp as policy experts and economists has managed to effectively destroy one industry after another(housing, healthcare, value of fiat currency), and we're supposed to want these people to be in control of the internet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvMGHzB37lo
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bingo.......schiff gets it
u get it
the more profitable and important an industry is the more meddling and hence LACK OF choices we have
the more "individual mandates" and market collusion and coercion we seem to experience
all by design anyone paying attention (who isn't an aspiring tyrant or political puppet) would say
but lucky for me Amadeus is a living Sesame Street character for global domination
with gubmt public school mind controls arm so far up his ass he doesn't know where he begins and they stop
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Last edited by Captain Tele; 12-02-2017 at 10:16..
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VeteranXX Contributor
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Originally Posted by samUwell
In the other thread, i was pretty much *****ing about the lack of choices for my provider. Where i live, we have Comcast for broadband and AT&T for DSL and that... that's pretty much it. Nothing remotely close to living in a capitalist society.
Yesterday i was downstairs, getting ready to take my dog outside for a piss break when an AT&T/Directv salesperson came to my door. I asked them "what are you selling?" to which she replied, "Im blah blah from AT&T/Directv and i wanted to let you know that your area is part of a pilot program for fiberoptics. You will get 100 up and down. Is this...." to which i interrupted her and said, "sign me up!"
Monday, they should be here to hook me up and i can finally cancel Comcast and live in the 21st century. So stoked!
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i'm switching to AT&T fiber after the new year have a few things to square away first
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VeteranXX
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Originally Posted by Captain Tele
competition would intervene. consumers would intervene.
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What if competition or consumers have either no interest or no practical means of intervening? Should we still try to stop centralization then?
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no interest in making money you mean?
LMFAO
yeah then we have world peace
we are already in heaven
god regulates markets then
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this is where i ask you what industry people have no desire to make money or compete in
when this has ever once happened in history
and if it has happened if we even need (because of want) that service
you play chase the tail for a second
might make you preemptively think about the next step before you ask another dumb question like that
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VeteranXX
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Originally Posted by Captain Tele
no interest in making money you mean?
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No, no interest or practical means of intervening, I mean.
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VeteranXV
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how is it that leftists hate monopolies but love centralized power?
it's as if they are only against consolidated power when they don't control it
I still haven't heard a peep from the NN crowd about social media and youtube censoring pretty much anything right of total Marxism under current NN. It's ok, and even a moral imperative for Facebook or Twitter to censor conservatives and libertarians, but it's not ok for Comcast to have higher prices for high data users. I realize it's a totally asymmetrical comparison, but when I see how leftists treat censorship on platforms that they monopolize(far-left silicon valley has a clear monopoly on social media, and information gateways to the internet such as google), I kindof have trouble believing they are actually in favor of an actually 'free' internet in any sense outside of it being literally free of cost to them(socialized). Why is silicon valley unanimously in favor of NN? It's clear their motivation has absolutely nothing to do with fighting censorship(which is the only attractive part of NN to me).
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VeteranXX Contributor
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Originally Posted by Greedo909
how is it that leftists hate monopolies but love centralized power?
it's as if they are only against consolidated power when they don't control it
I still haven't heard a peep from the NN crowd about social media and youtube censoring pretty much anything right of total Marxism under current NN. It's ok, and even a moral imperative for Facebook or Twitter to censor conservatives and libertarians, but it's not ok for Comcast to have higher prices for high data users. I realize it's a totally asymmetrical comparison, but when I see how leftists treat censorship on platforms that they monopolize(far-left silicon valley has a clear monopoly on social media, and information gateways to the internet such as google), I kindof have trouble believing they are actually in favor of an actually 'free' internet in any sense outside of it being literally free of cost to them(socialized). Why is silicon valley unanimously in favor of NN? It's clear their motivation has absolutely nothing to do with fighting censorship(which is the only attractive part of NN to me).
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From the other thread:
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Originally Posted by samUwell
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We are in a pickle here. Give the government the power to regulate and censor the internet or give the corporations the power to censor the internet for the government and charge the people extra $ to read political material that goes against the approved governmental ideology. “The capacity to impose control over the politically awakened masses of the world is at a historical low.”
"in earlier times, it was easier to control a million people, literally, than physically to kill a million people” while “today it is infinitely easier to kill a million people than to control a million people.”
Zbigniew Brzezinski
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Originally Posted by samUwell
This. It doesn't matter what happens, we the people will get the short end of the stick.
Now, i have heard some peoples arguments saying that giving the government the keys to the internet will legally prevent them from limiting content, especially political content, due to the government having to abide by the 1st Amendment whereas the corporation does not.
The whole thing is ****ed up. I hate both entities - government and corporations so to me, no matter what happens, IMO, we lose.
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Veteran³ Immigrant
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Originally Posted by Amadeus
No, no interest or practical means of intervening, I mean.
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give an example
because i don't see any
not one........ever
more sunday morning cartoon fantasy world ****
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Veteran³ Immigrant
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Greedo909
how is it that leftists hate monopolies but love centralized power?
it's as if they are only against consolidated power when they don't control it
I still haven't heard a peep from the NN crowd about social media and youtube censoring pretty much anything right of total Marxism under current NN. It's ok, and even a moral imperative for Facebook or Twitter to censor conservatives and libertarians, but it's not ok for Comcast to have higher prices for high data users. I realize it's a totally asymmetrical comparison, but when I see how leftists treat censorship on platforms that they monopolize(far-left silicon valley has a clear monopoly on social media, and information gateways to the internet such as google), I kindof have trouble believing they are actually in favor of an actually 'free' internet in any sense outside of it being literally free of cost to them(socialized). Why is silicon valley unanimously in favor of NN? It's clear their motivation has absolutely nothing to do with fighting censorship(which is the only attractive part of NN to me).
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exactly
even worse is listening them cite "well it is a private company" when it comes to this censoring, this abuse, and even firing of Google engineers for even bringing up a thought process or question that they don't consider PC enough.
like just then they care to believe in or subscribe to property rights and the concept of something not being a common good. that they even pretend to recognize privatization.
they are the worst kind of bull****ters who only want control, to achieve their end goal agenda, and then scream at the sky when they lose said control (that at best they never really had)
that is why Trump has physically caused TDS and all but a self inflicted kill off of their species.
THAT WASN"T REAL SOCIALISM........To NEOLIBERALS in Europe
To China .......
To USSR......
To Venezuela.........
To North Korea.......
To the killing fields under Che types of Cuba
they never get their way even when they really really really thought they were.
That is why i have long believed that the best way to ruin a liberals life is to give them exactly what they are after. Nothing will make them more miserable in the end.
Unfortunately it often ruins our lives too. So like the cancer it is we adults must be preemptive.
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Last edited by Captain Tele; 12-02-2017 at 12:05..
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VeteranXX
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Tele
give an example
because i don't see any
not one........ever
more sunday morning cartoon fantasy world ****
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Say, an ISP in an area owns the only infrastructure there is. Other ISP's are in a catch 22 as they don't have enough money to build their own infrastructure, and without their own infrastructure, they cannot branch out and provide competition to make that money. So there's no competition, and therefore consumers cannot go to a different ISP.
Who should stop centralization in this situation?
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