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Originally Posted by T-Dawg
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This picture is also funny in an ironic way because whoever made it thinks that they do not prescribe to a worldview that is guilty of doing the same thing.
It is like making fun of people for wearing pink pants when you yourself are wearing pink pants.
People as a whole are keenly unaware of their own plight.
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Originally Posted by NoGodForMe
I don't have any desire to follow the top religions, because they are based on stories that happened 2k years ago. Yet all those people follow it, and believe. They sweep aside the superpower stuff that makes no sense, just like the Quran is a "peaceful" religion. People like me would then become an Atheist, but they believe there is no God. That's not the answer.
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So you are against following a story 2k years old, but perfectly fine following a story billions of years old. Makes sense to me!
As for the sweeping aside the super power stuff, Atheists and secular humanists do the exact same thing. They never bother to explain how "something" can spontaneously explode from "nothing," a scientific impossibility.
Regarding Darwinian Theory, they never bother to explain where the new information comes from. They just simply assert that a turd on a log can become Einstein by its own volition without any help of outside intelligence, which violates science by refuting the second law of thermodynamics.
Most everyone has supernatural beliefs, but many have brainwashed themselves into believing that they do not.
These things never get brought up because people pride themselves on their supposed disbelief in the supernatural.
If you believe in the big bang, or Darwin's theory of evolution, you believe in the supernatural.
It's funny because if you told someone "Look, it's a turd that became a Russian super model!" they would laugh at your nonsense,
but then you can just say "Wait no, it took a million years for it to happen." and then that will wipe the laughter
right off of their face, cus that's real serious talk, amiright?
Science will reveal later that turds can't become Russian super-models and I'm gonna lean back in my chair when Darwinian theory is proven false.
The Cambrian Explosion alone should be enough to make you all doubt it, but you have all been so heavily indoctrinated since birth like I was, so it doesn't matter at this point.
Cambrian explosion - Wikipedia
This thread is a great example of what you can expect to encounter if you dare challenge the almighty religion of Darwinism:
1) Mockery and Humiliation
Ex) You don't believe in Darwinian theory? What a fool! lol
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Originally Posted by Pagy
if you refer back to the first line of your post where you refer to evolution as “just a theory”, that would be the moment i wrote you off an uneducated retard not able to be taught.
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Originally Posted by Falhawk
I can't tell if tpk is trolling. I'd pegged him as smarter than that.
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2) Appeal to mass opinion
Ex) Every qualified scientist believes in Darwinian theory, how could you not?
3) Disdain for any scrutinization
Ex) Lol, don't embarrass yourself by asking questions about it, just believe it.
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Originally Posted by Pagy
I mean youre asking why there are still monkeys this is embarrassing dude.
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Originally Posted by Amadeus
And the fact that every one of those is a strawman, as is pretty much everything else you've said in this thread, is how I know that you lied about caring about the truth of your statements.
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4) Appeal to credentials
Ex) You should believe in Darwinian theory because a qualified scientist says it's true.
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Originally Posted by Amadeus
I'm saying you should believe them because through their work, they have much, much, MUCH better informed conclusions on the subject than you, who have never even heard of Carl Sagan until now, do.
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5) Refusal to engage or answer any real investagative questions.
Ex) They will use all of the above techniques, but they will not address your actual questions.
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Originally Posted by The Pumpkin King
Ok, if animals are evolving and becoming new animals, how fast does it happen?
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*silence* *no answer* *tumbleweeds*
If you look at the above, does that sound like even a remotely unfair question to ask about a scientific truth? And yet doing so will be met with potent emotional response from anyone you ask it to. They get really upset very quickly. Why is that do you suppose?
Rinse and repeat any of the above steps that have nothing to do with logic, science, evidence, or deduction.
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Originally Posted by NoGodForMe
One can believe in an all mighty God or next dimension without following a top religion.
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Absolutely correct. Many highly regarded intelligent minds are as you describe.
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Originally Posted by Pagy
given the personal comfort, joy and community it brings some people, there are many reasons that can be considered “good” no matter how irrational it appears to be.
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Exact same thing can be said about your religion of secular humanism, only even more so.
Sure must be nice, warm, and cozy believing that you will not be held accountable for any of your actions in this lifetime.
The Atheistic worldview is perhaps the most comforting of all.
When you die, you just cease to exist, how lovely and peaceful. No more work, no more bills, no more ex-girlfriend stalking you, no more worries, anxiety, or rent checks, just silence and finality wrapped up in a nice little bow-tie.
Believing that you are on the side of science and all others are blind faith based rock-level-intelligence idiots is one of the more comforting things for one's ego to hear.
When people ask about your religion or spirituality, you can just say "I just do my own thing" and they always nod and smile and treat you respectfully. How comfortable indeed.
In contrast, many of the world's religions are terribly discomforting, that you could be held accountable for every single wrong thing you do in this lifetime and punished severely for it by something far more powerful than you. How terrifying.
To describe many of the terrors described in religious books as "intensely bad" is an understatement. Considering them as an actual reality is quite unsettling indeed.
The above quoted statement is basically just more perpetuated ignorance based on raw lack of understanding about religion.
Most of the time when I read Atheists writing about religion and what they think it is, it's daunting how little they know.
When my entire world view changed from an Atheistic worldview to a Theistic one, it was one of the most intensely uncomfortable experiences I have ever had.
Describing religion as "comfortable" is just so blatantly wrong on so many levels.
What does Atheism have that is more discomforting than the possibility of eternal damnation and torture?
There is the continual discomfort of people instantly disliking you and treating you very poorly after finding out that you believe in God. When you are an Atheist, nobody cares.
The Atheist lifestyle is wildly more comfortable as there are no rules. You can lie as much as you like, have sex with as many people as you want, steal, blaspheme holy names as much as you like. As long as nobody catches you committing a crime it's all good.
A religious lifestyle can often be very uncomfortable. There are rules, regulations, and you can be held heavily accountable for not following them.
Belief in God lies heavily on the side of "rationality" due to the incredible complexity and fine-tuning of the universe as science understands it.
Believing that things can suddenly spawn and appear out of non-existance with no cause and reason, as most Atheists prescribe too, is heavily on the side of irrationality.
Cliffs: Atheism is far more irrational and comforting than Theism.
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Originally Posted by Falhawk
Two of the nicest people I know (my ex i laws actually) are very religious. I don't know if they are nice because of religion or just nice in general but I don't care, they are just great.
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Totally agree in reverse. Many of my friends are Atheists and they are some of the nicest people I have ever met. Highly intelligent as well.
One does not need to prescribe to a world religion to exercise quality morals. As human-beings we are hard-wired with morality and understanding of the difference between right and wrong.
I have met many people that believe in God that I found to be contemptable.
A large part of me is repulsed by organized religion.
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Originally Posted by amRam
Belief in god old as humanity. Humanity wildly successful for hundreds of thousands of years. Our moral grounding was based on religious beliefs. That moral grounding permeated all successful cultures.
If someone wants to argue that belief in god is unnecessary or unfavorable, they'll have to back it up with some evidence.
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Correct. Most people fail to realize that the default parameter set to humanity for all time in binary terms has been "1" not "0".
The problem is you can't bring this up without ever getting roped into the long and tiresome argument about how "you can't prove the non existence of something."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQgOjHsMEeE
Yes, I'm in the minority of people that are extremely skeptical towards Darwin's theory of evolution. The only way I would believe in it if there was a source of intelligence behind it that were driving it, as to not violate the second law of thermodynamics. Bacteria filled poop simply cannot turn itself into a 7-headed-hydra with Einstein levels of intelligence on its own. You can put me in the bucket along with the above 1,000 "idiotic" scientists.