SirBatesAlot
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Nope, but still trying to make sure it was the take home message of the thread.
This argument doesn't work. For it to work, we'd have to be talking about people who use their computers to make digital copies of materials by using their knowledge of binary to physically write the 1's and 0's themselves. If you were a person who had such a talent, then no, there's nothing illegal about it.
In fact, to use you analogy as a real world example: it's like having the mechanic repair your car, but then using your spare set of keys to drive the car off the lot after he's finished his work and parked it. By your logic, there's nothing illegal about it. It's your car, it was parked outside the shop (public domain) and it's not illegal for you to own a spare set of keys to access your car anytime you want... the shop doesn't own your car, even if they didn't install anything physical into it (just made adjustments).
The FBI disclaimer states "intended for the private home viewing of our audience, and is not to be duplicated..." which sums it up in a nutshell. You and your friends, whether it's 2 or 200, can watch the movie at your home. However, if you had a party where you charged an admission, and those 200 friends saw the movie you bought, guess what? That's copyright infringement and subject to legal action.
Filesharing is simply enabling people to view/listen to copyrighted works without paying for them. Period. It's theft from the artist/label/studio, regardless of "well I would've never gone to see it anyway" or "I wouldn't have bought it anyway".
I have absolutely no idea what Teflonatron is saying.
Nice, I get to repost!Sup Taxi, it's been a while!
Can you tell me how you made that leap? You say it's cool to have 2 or 200 friends over at your place for free, and that would be ok. But then you say that Filesharing, which is like having your friends over, is theft. Is theft ok? Or is having your friends over somehow stealing?
Though technically you're not supposed to allow anybody to watch a movie that didn't purchase it, those laws are more in place to give people that are major violators no loopholes in the rare cases that they prosecute
I will say that I have bought movies before by virtue of watching them at a friend's house and their being good. The difference between that and piracy is that:
1.)You are dependent on the friend to make the movie available (ie. it does not have unlimited convenience)
2.)When you watch a movie with friends, you're there to hang out with them, not watch that specific movie.
3.)Any time you borrow a movie, the original owner is ceding his ability to watch it so that you can
These are kinda sorta important distinctions for why watching it with a friend isn't the same as piracy
Due to points 1 and 3 you are much, much more likely to buy in this scenario than if you pirate
Tef you're arguing something that makes no sense to me...
You're quibbling over something that's incomparable. A) Everyone you share a movie with while filesharing isn't your friend, B) The numbers involved are incomparable, C) You're completely disregarding any sense of fair play and common sense.
By your rationale, musicians and movie studios should just work for free, or at most sell ONE COPY of their work because hey, you can share their works with your millions of "friends", so they shouldn't complain!
wtf?
Making physical copies of the DVD you bought would be illegal, tooWhat if the 200 people I'm filesharing with ARE my friends? Is that impossible? I'm not saying it's likely....just possible. I'm not disregarding fair play or common sense, and I'm certainly not suggesting that artists sell only one copy so I can distribute it for free to everybody in the world. (How exactly did it go from 200 to millions anyhow?)