The Economist's poll of economists: Examining the candidates

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Wasn't tsetse talking about how he liked mccain a few months/weeks ago

Incoming wall of text of how he changed his mind because of palin/GOP influences (even though that was the case months ago too)
 
TseTse said:
Dumpy's trying to make an argument that everybody left of the Austrian school and the ultra-right laissez faire libertarians are leftist and a socialist. That's really the substance of his point. It's silly.
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I would personally avoid the terms "libertarian" and "socialist" in the context of substance. The substantive alternative to socialism is Capitalism. Libertarianism is, at its core, nothing more than a pseudo-philosophy and it lacks a great deal of substance.

Anyway...
Capitalist : socialist :: individualist : collectivist



If a robber breaks into your house and proceeds to take all of your belongings, and you convince him to only take a spoon from your kitchen and not the rest of your stuff, would he not be a robber? If someone breaks into your car only to steal a bag of chips while leaving your laptop, briefcase, stereo, and everything else in tact, would he no longer be a thief? Likewise, if a collectivist violates only a portion of the rights of the individual for the sake of the collective, he is still a collectivist.
 
DacTheHork said:
Wasn't tsetse talking about how he liked mccain a few months/weeks ago

Incoming wall of text of how he changed his mind because of palin/GOP influences (even though that was the case months ago too)
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Palin wasnt the case months ago.

Mccain used to be a straight talking moderate who was serious about reform, albeit had a temper and all that stuff. Ironically, it was also i who started a thread about The Economist's call for "the real mccain" to step forward. He engaged in a retarded campaign of smears and distortions, of neocon arguments and then pandered to the right wing religious nuts. Fuck him...

Troll away...
 
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DacTheHork said:
Wasn't tsetse talking about how he liked mccain a few months/weeks ago

Incoming wall of text of how he changed his mind because of palin/GOP influences (even though that was the case months ago too)
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Yeah. And a few months before that he was convinced that McCain was dead in the Republican primary and that his campaign was trainwrecked into irreparable oblivion.
 
^ agreed, i thought Romney was going to be Mr Independent, but he too went wacko.

Dumpy Dooby said:
I would personally avoid the terms "libertarian" and "socialist" in the context of substance. The substantive alternative to socialism is Capitalism. Libertarianism is, at its core, nothing more than a pseudo-philosophy and it lacks a great deal of substance.

Anyway...
Capitalist : socialist :: individualist : collectivist
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Seriously... just shut the fuck up and get your GED or whatever...
 
TseTse said:
:rofl:

I already explained to you, dumbass, that this quote was in the context of UK politics where the term "liberal" means fiscal/government conservative and he was making an anti-monarchy argument.
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Do Europeans believe liberal to be "left" and conservative to be "right"?
 
Cliffs:



Dumpy Dooby: The Economist is neoclassical and left-leaning.


TseTse: Dumpy Dooby believes that anything that is neoclassical is left-leaning.

Dumpy Dooby: Chicago school of economics is neoclassical and most would not consider it left-leaning.


TseTse: Dumpy Dooby advocates Austrian economics.

Dumpy Dooby: I don't align myself with them because they don't hold the same core beliefs as me.


TseTse: Dumpy Dooby is against anyone that isn't a libertarian.

Dumpy Dooby: Libertarianism is nothing more than a pseudo-philosophy.


TseTse: LOL GO GET UR'E GED
 
^ nice try, dumpy, but you're on the record saying retarded shit and you cant pretend something else was said.

For 2 pages you've insisted that The Economist is "famously left-leaning" even tho you've never read it, and even though you've been shown to be completely talking out of your ass.

Dumpy Dooby said:
Do Europeans believe liberal to be "left" and conservative to be "right"?
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America's "center" is far-right by world standards.

Our democrats in congress are almost entirely pro-market types which puts THEM far-right by world standards.

(and no, not to the ultra-libertarian laissez faire end of the spectrum)

Europe still has a lot of socialists (NOT COMMUNISTS), so they better reflect the world's true polarities. This is why magazines like The Economist (pro market, pro limited government, etc) is deemed ultra-right wing in Europe.

Furthermore, the term "liberal" outside the USA still generally maintains its classical philosophical roots and means CONSERVATIVE by our standards.

Liberal = classical liberalism = free trade, limited government, individualism, etc.

Only in america... mostly in the last 25 years... has this term even be construed as "lefty" because of the rise of the SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES who truly dont like our tolerant society and all its freedoms. These are the big government christian taliban who are taking over the GOP.
 
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TseTse said:
America's "center" is far-right by world standards.

Our democrats in congress are almost entirely pro-market types which puts THEM far-right by world standards.

Europe still has a lot of socialists (NOT COMMUNISTS), so they better reflect the world's true polarities. This is why magazines like The Economist (pro market, pro limited government, etc) is deemed ultra-right wing in Europe.

Furthermore, the term "liberal" outside the USA still generally maintains its classical philosophical roots and means CONSERVATIVE by our standards.

Liberal = classical liberalism = free trade, limited government, individualism, etc.

Only in america... mostly in the last 25 years... has this term even be construed as "lefty" because of the rise of the SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES who truly dont like our tolerant society and all its freedoms. These are the big government christian taliban who are taking over the GOP.
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You didn't answer my question.
 
ofn, the Scott Adams poll was a much better and larger sample (drew from the AEA rather than NBER, had a larger sample size, and had a much more diverse set of questions)
 
Kizzak said:
ofn, the Scott Adams poll was a much better and larger sample (drew from the AEA rather than NBER, had a larger sample size, and had a much more diverse set of questions)
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But wouldnt you say the AEA is more academic whereas NBER is more "applied" types?
 
Dumpy Dooby said:
You didn't answer my question.
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He will never answer your question.

This is what he will do (which is evident in this thread):

Guys, The Economist, which I, a far left liberal Jew, get all of my information from is TOTALLY not leftist!

Then he'll do some of this (which is also evident in this thread):

Watch me as I ignore all of your questions and responses that disprove my argument and post more colored and large font, then follow it up with pictures!

e.g. (Except he would never post anything bad about Obama):

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Validuz said:
He will never answer your question.

This is what he will do (which is evident in this thread):

Guys, The Economist, which I, a far left liberal Jew, get all of my information from is TOTALLY not leftist!

Then he'll do some of this (which is also evident in this thread):

Watch me as I ignore all of your questions and responses that disprove my argument and post more colored and large font, then follow it up with pictures!

e.g. (Except he would never post anything bad about Obama):

obamald4.jpg
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Holy shit I actually thought this was TseTse at first. :rofl: :lol:
 
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