benefits include raging about american politics, chik fil a, and busting inside

Been years since I busted inside. Dang. Gotta up my faith.

Then Judah said to Onan, “Go in to your brother's wife and perform the duty of a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother.” But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his. So whenever he went in to his brother's wife he would waste the semen on the ground, so as not to give offspring to his brother. And what he did was wicked in the sight of the Lord, and he put him to death also.

u have to bust inside

Biden 101

bust inside the widow, not your brother's daughter or her feet.

Um...thats your thing.

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Ok ill bring it back to the main topic. Why do people believe in their own God? There a bunch of pantheon, why christian (which is a relatively recent umbrella), Islam, hindu, or the USA bible from ngfm? Peer pressure? Tradition?

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Jesus lore steals from Norse and Egyptiam gods. Constantine rewrote things to convert and gain control. Why is this ignored?


**** I'm posting like tele.

My apologies.

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If the drive for belief in a higher power is inherent in humans (it certainly seems to be) then it stands to reason that people tend to believe in the deities present in their culture of upbringing. I can't see a path in which a kid born in a Christian nation to Christian parents would ever even get the idea to believe in whatever gods the buddhists and hindus believe.

is a positive benefit of religion somehow not positive anymore because there are alternatives?

one positive thing about religion is that ppl like amadeus used to be burned at the stake

Pedos? Or non-believers? Claude

positively maybe not

It's not just that there are alternatives, there are alternatives that grant all the benefits but don't come with potentially harmful baggage.

If you can have your choice of two brands of hamburger, and they're identical except one contains asbestos and the other doesn't, is there a good reason to choose the one with asbestos?

lol wat

so what though? I believe in personal liberty. People should be allowed to join book clubs. They should be allowed become alcoholics. And they should be allowed to worship their gods.

We have laws to govern negative consequences.

The more apt example would be a hamburger that potentially contains asbestos. But again, people should be allowed to think what they want.

And should they be allowed to inflict those potentially self-harmful beliefs on others? Their children for instance? Is that fair to the children?

Amapedo gonna decide how you raise your children


Lmao


Imagine this ****ing guy being the arbiter of truth

This picture is also funny in an ironic way because whoever made it thinks that they do not prescribe to a worldview that is guilty of doing the same thing.

It is like making fun of people for wearing pink pants when you yourself are wearing pink pants.

People as a whole are keenly unaware of their own plight.

So you are against following a story 2k years old, but perfectly fine following a story billions of years old. Makes sense to me!

As for the sweeping aside the super power stuff, Atheists and secular humanists do the exact same thing. They never bother to explain how "something" can spontaneously explode from "nothing," a scientific impossibility.

Regarding Darwinian Theory, they never bother to explain where the new information comes from. They just simply assert that a turd on a log can become Einstein by its own volition without any help of outside intelligence, which violates science by refuting the second law of thermodynamics.

Most everyone has supernatural beliefs, but many have brainwashed themselves into believing that they do not.

These things never get brought up because people pride themselves on their supposed disbelief in the supernatural.

If you believe in the big bang, or Darwin's theory of evolution, you believe in the supernatural.

It's funny because if you told someone "Look, it's a turd that became a Russian super model!" they would laugh at your nonsense,
but then you can just say "Wait no, it took a million years for it to happen." and then that will wipe the laughter
right off of their face, cus that's real serious talk, amiright?

Science will reveal later that turds can't become Russian super-models and I'm gonna lean back in my chair when Darwinian theory is proven false.

The Cambrian Explosion alone should be enough to make you all doubt it, but you have all been so heavily indoctrinated since birth like I was, so it doesn't matter at this point.
Cambrian explosion - Wikipedia

This thread is a great example of what you can expect to encounter if you dare challenge the almighty religion of Darwinism:

1) Mockery and Humiliation

Ex) You don't believe in Darwinian theory? What a fool! lol

2) Appeal to mass opinion

Ex) Every qualified scientist believes in Darwinian theory, how could you not?

3) Disdain for any scrutinization

Ex) Lol, don't embarrass yourself by asking questions about it, just believe it.

4) Appeal to credentials

Ex) You should believe in Darwinian theory because a qualified scientist says it's true.

5) Refusal to engage or answer any real investagative questions.

Ex) They will use all of the above techniques, but they will not address your actual questions.

*silence* *no answer* *tumbleweeds*

If you look at the above, does that sound like even a remotely unfair question to ask about a scientific truth? And yet doing so will be met with potent emotional response from anyone you ask it to. They get really upset very quickly. Why is that do you suppose?

Rinse and repeat any of the above steps that have nothing to do with logic, science, evidence, or deduction.

Absolutely correct. Many highly regarded intelligent minds are as you describe.

Exact same thing can be said about your religion of secular humanism, only even more so.

Sure must be nice, warm, and cozy believing that you will not be held accountable for any of your actions in this lifetime.

The Atheistic worldview is perhaps the most comforting of all.

When you die, you just cease to exist, how lovely and peaceful. No more work, no more bills, no more ex-girlfriend stalking you, no more worries, anxiety, or rent checks, just silence and finality wrapped up in a nice little bow-tie.

Believing that you are on the side of science and all others are blind faith based rock-level-intelligence idiots is one of the more comforting things for one's ego to hear.

When people ask about your religion or spirituality, you can just say "I just do my own thing" and they always nod and smile and treat you respectfully. How comfortable indeed.

In contrast, many of the world's religions are terribly discomforting, that you could be held accountable for every single wrong thing you do in this lifetime and punished severely for it by something far more powerful than you. How terrifying.

To describe many of the terrors described in religious books as "intensely bad" is an understatement. Considering them as an actual reality is quite unsettling indeed.

The above quoted statement is basically just more perpetuated ignorance based on raw lack of understanding about religion.

Most of the time when I read Atheists writing about religion and what they think it is, it's daunting how little they know.

When my entire world view changed from an Atheistic worldview to a Theistic one, it was one of the most intensely uncomfortable experiences I have ever had.

Describing religion as "comfortable" is just so blatantly wrong on so many levels.

What does Atheism have that is more discomforting than the possibility of eternal damnation and torture?

There is the continual discomfort of people instantly disliking you and treating you very poorly after finding out that you believe in God. When you are an Atheist, nobody cares.

The Atheist lifestyle is wildly more comfortable as there are no rules. You can lie as much as you like, have sex with as many people as you want, steal, blaspheme holy names as much as you like. As long as nobody catches you committing a crime it's all good.

A religious lifestyle can often be very uncomfortable. There are rules, regulations, and you can be held heavily accountable for not following them.

Belief in God lies heavily on the side of "rationality" due to the incredible complexity and fine-tuning of the universe as science understands it.

Believing that things can suddenly spawn and appear out of non-existance with no cause and reason, as most Atheists prescribe too, is heavily on the side of irrationality.

Cliffs: Atheism is far more irrational and comforting than Theism.

Totally agree in reverse. Many of my friends are Atheists and they are some of the nicest people I have ever met. Highly intelligent as well.

One does not need to prescribe to a world religion to exercise quality morals. As human-beings we are hard-wired with morality and understanding of the difference between right and wrong.

I have met many people that believe in God that I found to be contemptable.

A large part of me is repulsed by organized religion.

Correct. Most people fail to realize that the default parameter set to humanity for all time in binary terms has been "1" not "0".

The problem is you can't bring this up without ever getting roped into the long and tiresome argument about how "you can't prove the non existence of something."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQgOjHsMEeE

Yes, I'm in the minority of people that are extremely skeptical towards Darwin's theory of evolution. The only way I would believe in it if there was a source of intelligence behind it that were driving it, as to not violate the second law of thermodynamics. Bacteria filled poop simply cannot turn itself into a 7-headed-hydra with Einstein levels of intelligence on its own. You can put me in the bucket along with the above 1,000 "idiotic" scientists.

we have laws. And we have brains. I was raised catholic and would equate religious belief with fairy tales so if i made it so can u.
yes they are allowed to enroll their children in swimming lessons, camp and yes, church stuff.

There are also people who have been atheist for decades, but still wake up at night with the fear of hell as a result of their childhood religious indoctrination.

So again: what good reason is there to perpetuate those beliefs, if all of the benefits can be achieved without them?

There's only one way to raise children and thats amapedo's way. Nevermind that silly god stuff its only been around for like a hundred thousand years, no track record...

New age atheism, now THERE is a concept we know for sure works and can't possibly backfire at all.

they sound like pussies
because people have freedom of thought and dont owe you an explanation

Woh, I walked into the Atheist bro hour.

I love this emotional shift in the mood...

Wow...

i m not n atheist

i worship the sun disc god ra

he uses his disc 2 midair the sky every day

I am sad that there has not been a better game, though lately I am very much so enjoying Mordhau and Squad with friends.

You should try them Groove.

I did however, take a crap on the lawn to set things up for my future offspring. I am hoping the poopy will develop over time into something of superior intelligence that can make a better game than tribes.

Also this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te3aShKST1A

There's either a deliberate obfuscation or otherwise a distinct lack of understanding there. Fossils are primarily dated by radiometric (aka 'carbon') dating - ie examining the levels of radioactive isotopes and their levels of decay, which happens at known rates and effectively forms a clock. That can come from the fossils themselves or from the rocks in which they are found (which is obviously less precise).

Relative dating (as you describe) is a secondary method, where rock strata and the fossils within them are matched to samples which have already been dated radiometrically.

So.... there's either a deliberate and knowing attempt to misinform the audience, or a deliberate attempt to remain uneducated as to the actual facts of relevance - you can't be presenting things like this if you haven't actually checked your facts. Neither of which is particularly surprising in the context of an evangelical 'debate'.

The Wiki talks about it and so do a bunch of science shows in a way I can believe.
Big Bang - Wikipedia
"The model describes how the universe expanded from an initial state of extremely high density and high temperature,"

I believe it will eventually contract and do it all over again. Now, whether this is a toy in an alien's room (that would be a God), we don't know. Like a God is looking at us through his microscope that we can't see. Or has a way to see what life forms get created, watches them, then the entire thing shrinks down to a dot and the whole things repeats. It can happen whether the Alien or God is there.
Big Crunch - Wikipedia

I've also looked up web sites that show what makes up humans. It is interesting to think of how those things came together over time.
Elements in the Human Body and What They Do

What happens when we die is the question. Science hasn't figured out consciousness or memory in our brains. Do we go to another dimension? Is there enough room in the universe for all those souls if they are unique? Or is there re-incarnation here on earth? Would it be random where you end up next (Human, Ant, Bird, Dolphin, Dog, Cat). I think of these things all the time.

It was a quote from a random frustrated stranger on the internet that I found to be hilarious.

If there is an inaccuracy with one of the points he made my apologies. I suppose I should have read it in more detail before posting. I am not sure what he was referring to with that circular reasoning.

I believe in the usefulness of carbon dating as a viable tool.

Ignore the random quote from the stranger on the internet, did you watch the video of the scientist with actual information?

If you can shred anything in the video, I'd be compelled to listen.

Any insight on the Cambrian Explosion that you have to offer?

I'd be curious to know more from you since you seem knowledgeable, articulate, and interesting in normal human communication in contrast with the more emotional posters I was communicating with before.

I will remove that random internet quote, as it seems to be very bad information. Thank you.

Cliffs?

In the video I linked, the 2nd quote on youtube had some dude ranting that was pretty funny...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pr...jFBmA_PlJn51vc

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cp...-929264634.jpg

How Fool's brother can just clamor on the Christian bandwagon and attempt to defend Torquemada while decrying Mohammed and the rest?

There is no way you can know how stupid people sound, else I point to Tehvul, crying for envelopment, now pointing to doctor dance, again a stranger, hoping for friends by pointing his views at theirs.

TW is the most crucible stupid, save for the Tehvul, TPK, and lets face it-- scary doctor dance, that have worried about being accepted as a placer in a long dead forum.

More drunk ramblings from TW's most proud racist, who openly hates the forum and wishes for its destruction but lacks the self control to stop coming here.

<3 ily

idk i have trouble getting into gaems these days i may have developed adhd

I was just skimming around a little and noticed that, wasn't planning on getting deeply involved and am not sure I feel like watching through a two hour video :)

As far as the Cambrian explosion goes... I'm absolutely not a palaeontologist so I couldn't add any more to the subject than you could google yourself :) I understand there was a dominant theory of a sudden spike in oxygen levels which has some questions around it, and some more recent theories involving the rise of a handful of pre-cambrian predators which had an understandably massive impact on an ecosystem which had never had to deal with self-defence, triggering a whole new wave of natural selection and adaptation. That would include moving beyond the flat plane of the seabed sludge in which that life had existed - tunnelling down into the sea floor sediment as well as moving up into the water column itself. The first of those actions would disrupt that microbial mat everything formerly grazed on, and the latter would expose some organisms to higher levels of oxygen away from that anaerobic zone and allow for aerobic processes to come into play.

I don't really know, and I don't think science has a definitive answer yet, either. To be fair, science rarely has anything it considers 'definitive', which is part of the beauty of it - being willing and (usually) happy to be proven wrong.

What I don't agree with though is taking that lack of understanding and saying "well, it must be God then," wiping your hands and walking away. Just because we don't have an answer yet doesn't mean that we shouldn't be striving towards a broader understanding. Down that path lies complacency and stagnation.

That post read a little bit like a brief glimpse into someone tripping on shrooms in a dark cabin in the woods, however...

This is like, the first time I've gotten involved in a thread in years or something? And I did so knowing it was a complete waste of time. Havax and I yelled at one another about music for a while like half a year ago-ish, but that's been about it...

I've had a wild amount of stress at my job and this has been a great way to get my mind off it. I will take any distraction I can get at this point... This was a really fun thread indeed.

The saga of desperately seeking acceptance on an internet forum full of strangers I have never met sounds kind of epic.

I have always been an iconoclast in terms of my thoughts and ideas about the reality we live in. I know full well that me opening up about anything I believe will not gather favor. Popularity has never been a goal of mine. It is a worthless endeavor.

Telling others that you believe in the existence of God almost never makes them smile upon you, it's always been quite the opposite for me. If I was keen on others liking me as my main focus, I wouldn't bring a single word of any of this stuff up. I confess my love for my creator openly knowing that I will be attacked for it, and dismissed as a buffoon. I am happy to be tread upon for being my authentic self.

Did anyone even know that I believed in God before this thread? Nope. I generally keep it to myself for a long list of reasons. For me what is important is loving other people around me and treating them with kindness. This world has a desperate famine on love and kindness.

You claim that I would defend organized religion when you are dead wrong. I could probably rant about how much I dislike organized religion for the length of all the posts in this entire thread and I'm probably not even exaggerating. I could probably easily out-pace you in that regard.

My life was way easier when I was an Atheist and nobody ever had a single negative thing to say towards me about my worldview then. I used to invite door-knocking Christians into my home offer them drinks, and let them give me their spiel for 20 minutes. And when they were done, I would proceed to tell them calmly and politely why there is no God. One guy got so mad his face turned red and his buddy had to pull him out of my house. I couldn't understand why he couldn't control his emotions or have a calm and rational discussion. These experiences gave me very negative impressions of Christians and in many ways, I have held onto those impressions.

You accusing me of posting in this thread for "acceptance" is laughable at best.

I'm still the kid you gamed with 20 years ago dude... I just know a lot more than I did then. I also suck at video games way harder than I did back then lol. It's confusing now thinking about how good I was back in 1999. Now I generally get spanked unless I'm playing Mordhau. I don't think I can clear bronze leagues in most games anymore, I really am that bad. Feels weird. I think I am only good at Mordhau cus the hours I sank into Chivalry were just insane. I'm an old tired man getting by on raw experience.

I know that God is real. Every atom in every star, every beautiful construction that you see around, every incredible plant and animal that you lay eyes on, all of them point to God's existence. It's as obvious and plain as it could possibly be... I do not think it is even possible for it to be anymore plain.

Much love to you Vanster. Hope you doing well man.

If you are consuming drugs or liquor, maybe take it easy a bit.

Your pictures were kind of cool in a gothic creepy yet artistic way.

Much love dude...

Man, that was such an excellent post. I'm gonna have to re-read it many times.

I totally agree with what you were saying about science being 'definitive'. Science really is incredible. I look forward to the day it moves us off of this planet and into outer space. How exciting that will be.

I completely agree with you on your last point too. I have never been keen on simply wiping my hands. At the same time, the fact remains that the existence of an intelligent agent is the best explanation for a long list of things. I've never heard another explanation that even treaded towards being close to as viable. I'm not saying that is proof by any means, but I do believe it's highly sensible to believe in God.

The theory of relativity is moving into the realm of being one of our most tested theories that has held up. We keep testing it and testing it, and it yet it still holds up to scrutiny. I feel pretty safe in saying that I know it is true. I feel much the same about the concept of intelligent design. It has held up so well and stood the test of time to the point of feeling very comfortable prescribing to it.

At the same time, having been an Atheist for so long, I understand that line of thinking very well. I generally have a fun time talking with Atheists because it reminds me of good times when I was young. One of the best times of my life was when I was an Atheist.

The world is vast and marvelous though. Who knows what we will find years down the line. I believe that an intelligent agent will be waiting around every scientific corner we turn.

As for the Cambrian explosion, Darwin himself said it was quite troublesome towards his theory, and may end up thwarting it altogether. For me, looking at the explosion, it just doesn't seem to line up with what he was proposing. All those fossils, fully formed to completion appearing so suddenly? If evolution is a slow process, where did they come from? I'm not sold on Darwin's theory yet. I'd like scientists to investigate further and learn more. I think more discoveries will be made that will shine more light on it all. Until then I just remain skeptical and listen to countless people insult me. That's fine.

Thanks for that awesome post. Cheers.

Dude "Squad" is legit, but you need a good box to play it.

Mine is a potato cus I'm holding out for the new wave of graphics cards and it chunks so hard when lots of vehicles and smoke gets close to me.

"Monster Train" is another game that I would highly recommend.

I know how you feel. I'm not sure it's ADHD. I think we are just getting old and we've played all the same crap too many years. It's more boring now. We need more to be entertained. Gotta get on discord and have a friend to shoot the breeze with while playing.

All that new hardware is right around the corner man. I'm gonna throw down.

I don't really have a problem with people believing in God if it gives them some form of peace or comfort, if it's something that works for you, then so be it. I'll admit I probably do think a little less of people for it because I appreciate an analytical, logical mind and the concept of the 'supernatural' doesn't really fit with that for me.

To be clear: I grew up in a school with weekly church services, singing hymns and studying the bible. I've read it plenty and while I can't say I can quote verses, I'm familiar with most of it. I consider myself what might be called by some as a 'weak athiest'.. I don't believe in god, but I'm not going to come out and yell that one doesn't exist - I figure that is just a yet another dogmatic position - maybe some day we'll actually stumble on something and say "well, I guess this is what all those various people refer to as a god then", but it's not something we'll ever be able to prove does not exist - that's practically part of the definition in being "beyond our understanding".

Where I begin to object (and I'm not suggesting this of anyone) is when that belief is turned outwards, and impacts others. If you think two people shouldn't get married because your own beliefs say that's wrong, you're welcome to that thought but don't for a second think that gives you the right to stop them. I also have a huge issue with the sheer hypocrisy involved with most organised religions. From the Roman Catholics right the way through to the modern evangelical mega-churches, there is stuff in there they explain away and justify to themselves which plainly contradicts the actual teachings of the bible they profess to revere, and often cause huge amounts of harm to those they should be protecting, in doing so. There is a huge amount of self-serving in there, in direct contradiction to the self-sacrifice which is the single most fundamental, identifiable pillar on which the entire religion is based: The symbol of the cross on which their god gave his own life (sacrificed himself, to himself, to save his followers from... himself. Ok, that's all a bit weird.)

But yeah, if you find comfort in a belief in God, and you don't feel the need to impose that upon others, then know that although that's maybe a bit of a negative on the opinion poll from me, I'm fine with it and happy that it works for you.