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LogRoller 03-12-2011 23:06

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Originally Posted by [Golbez-RG-] (Post 16270390)
This reactor doesn't have a concrete containment building, in fact most BWRs dont use concrete.

ahh i didn't know it was a bwr

but my point was actually about foundations

all the same i should have know looking at all of the cubes

def 03-12-2011 23:06

other one in ca

http://www.bellona.org/imagearchive/...r_plant-1..jpg

Zombie 03-12-2011 23:24

hmm I can't verify this yet.
someone on the stream at Japan earthquake | Page 24 | Liveblog live blogging | Reuters.com

Says that Fukushima 1 Reactor 3 has Uranium and Plutonium fuel rods.

JoMo 03-12-2011 23:26

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Originally Posted by Zombie (Post 16270435)
hmm I can't verify this yet.
someone on the stream at Japan earthquake | Page 24 | Liveblog live blogging | Reuters.com

Says that Fukushima 1 Reactor 3 has Uranium and Plutonium fuel rods.

yeah known as MOX.

Did you read that blurb about fusion occurring?

Zombie 03-12-2011 23:27

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Originally Posted by JoMo (Post 16270438)
yeah known as MOX.

Did you read that blurb about fusion occurring?

No, I missed it. Link?

JoMo 03-12-2011 23:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zombie (Post 16270441)
No, I missed it. Link?

It's on the BBC link.

0419: Possible fusion in two reactors - AFP, quoting government

MC Hamster 03-12-2011 23:31

tee heee.. those buildings look like boobs.

Zombie 03-12-2011 23:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoMo (Post 16270445)
It's on the BBC link.

0419: Possible fusion in two reactors - AFP, quoting government

****, what does that mean?

JoMo 03-12-2011 23:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zombie (Post 16270452)
****, what does that mean?

I'm not exactly sure but I know uncontrolled fusion = thermonuclear explosion.

It also releases a lot of energy.

Flyersfan 03-12-2011 23:38

its also the sun

[Golbez-RG-] 03-12-2011 23:39

It basically means its so hot that fusion is occurring in the reactors. That also means its going to melt straight down through pretty much anything, hopefully the containment building on top keeps it all in its hole.

Special---K 03-12-2011 23:42

fusion means it's going to create a bunch of helium in the air so everyone within a 10 mile radius is going to start talking funny

DMAUL 03-12-2011 23:42

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Originally Posted by MC Hamster (Post 16270450)
tee heee.. those buildings look like boobs.

it's a tid bit nipply out there.

MC Hamster 03-12-2011 23:45

...the ****? There's fusion going on? Ok, I can understand things getting 'hot', but there's a difference between 'radioactive decay hot' and 'nuclear fusion' hot. Wouldn't the material need to be in a plasma state to fuse? I'm just not seeing how anything is going to accidentally get into that sort of condition...

Then again, I'm no fizzycist.

[Golbez-RG-] 03-12-2011 23:46

A runaway fission reaction can make that happen. How do you think it happens in an H-bomb?

Dangerdoggie 03-12-2011 23:48

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If the water which cools the reactor "core" -- its 200,000 to 300,000 pounds of radioactive fuel load -- stops flowing, the "emergency core cooling system" must send water in. If it fails, a loss-of-coolant or meltdown accident can occur.

In such an accident, the core of nuclear fuel, which in less than a minute can reach 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit, burns through the cement bottom of the nuclear plant and bores into the earth. This is what U.S. nuclear scientists have dubbed the "China syndrome" -- based on a nuclear plant on their side of the planet undergoing an accident seemingly sending its white-hot core in the direction of China.

In fact, the radioactive core doesn't -- in any location -- go to China but it descends to the water table underlying a plant. Then, in a violent reaction, molten core and cold water combine, creating steam explosions and releasing a plume of radioactive poisons.
Quote:

Where the radioactivity spreads after a nuclear plant meltdown is largely a function of where winds take the radioactivity and of the rain that causes it to fall out.
Which could reach as far away as California.

Fool 03-12-2011 23:48

Did you guys know that radiation doesn't show up as a giant green cloud? I sure didn't.

Dangerdoggie 03-12-2011 23:56

No, but it comes down as black rain.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...500_AA300_.jpg

Spoiler

JoMo 03-12-2011 23:57

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Originally Posted by Fool (Post 16270476)
Did you guys know that radiation doesn't show up as a giant green cloud? I sure didn't.

Have you taken your potassium iodine today?

Special---K 03-12-2011 23:57

a giant green cloud just in time for St Paddy's day would be epic

Tappy 03-12-2011 23:59

IAEA update on Japan Earthquake

The IAEA website is basically saying it's no biggy.

Fool 03-13-2011 00:00

Charlie Sheen is more of a risk to Japan.

Dangerdoggie 03-13-2011 00:04

It'll make for a great backdrop to a video game.

Call of Fukushima Daini

CogitoČ 03-13-2011 00:34

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Originally Posted by [Golbez-RG-] (Post 16270161)
You do have to wonder of the wisdom of putting 6 nuclear reactors on a tsunami beach in one of the most active areas on the face of the Earth.

Well, I don't really believe this is an issue. The tsunamis did not damage the reactors at all. The failure of backup power (and backup backup power, and battery power, and several contingencies) to run the cooling systems is what seems to be causing the most problems.

I think another issue seems to be that most officials do not know what exactly is going on, so "experts" from outside Japan who also have no idea what is going on are called by the media to report, which is 100% speculation.

Flyersfan 03-13-2011 00:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tappy (Post 16270498)
IAEA update on Japan Earthquake

The IAEA website is basically saying it's no biggy.

the IKEA website makes no mention of it, so that might suggest some type of cover-up

Welcome to IKEA.com

MC Hamster 03-13-2011 00:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by [Golbez-RG-] (Post 16270469)
A runaway fission reaction can make that happen. How do you think it happens in an H-bomb?

Ok, maybe I'm misunderstanding things here, but aren't reactors designed specifically to prevent a critical mass when they're "shut down"? Even so, you've got focused energy and pressure waves and whatnot.. What you're suggesting is that something that takes ridiculously complex science and engineering to produce (the fusion reaction in an H bomb) is happening accidentally, in a design which is largely concerned with preventing just such an incident from occurring?


Ok, I guess I over/underestimated the state of things, if that's the case.

JoMo 03-13-2011 01:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by MC Hamster (Post 16270547)
Ok, maybe I'm misunderstanding things here, but aren't reactors designed specifically to prevent a critical mass when they're "shut down"? Even so, you've got focused energy and pressure waves and whatnot.. What you're suggesting is that something that takes ridiculously complex science and engineering to produce (the fusion reaction in an H bomb) is happening accidentally, in a design which is largely concerned with preventing just such an incident from occurring?


Ok, I guess I over/underestimated the state of things, if that's the case.

Fusion should not be occurring.

These plants are powered down, which means that the reactions should be decaying. Unless of course uncontrolled fission is happening.

[Golbez-RG-] 03-13-2011 01:20

The only way for fusion to occur, if it is, is from a runaway fission reaction. It sounds like the control rods from reactor #1 are damaged or melted, so there isn't much stopping it now except the sea water and boric acid or whatever they're dumping on it.

I doubt fusion is occurring, but it is possible if it gets too much out of hand.

JoMo 03-13-2011 01:37

*Japan***8217;s chief cabinet secretary says there***8217;s a risk of explosion at the building housing Fukushima Daiichi no.3 reactor

*Report just in that TEPCO has begun to inject seawater to cool the Fukushima Daiichi no.3 reactor

Shiloh 03-13-2011 01:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by [Golbez-RG-] (Post 16270469)
A runaway fission reaction can make that happen. How do you think it happens in an H-bomb?

there is a big difference between runaway fission reactions and nuclear detonation.

[Golbez-RG-] 03-13-2011 01:55

Other than the speed at which they occur, there really isn't that much a difference other than how the reaction is started. Atom and Hydrogen bombs both get their energy from runaway fission reactions.

John the Jammer 03-13-2011 01:55

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Originally Posted by Shiloh (Post 16270599)
there is a big difference between runaway fission reactions and nuclear detonation.

hahahahah. get your facts straights.

Do you expect to see a mushroom cloud over Japan if a meltdown occurs?

JoMo 03-13-2011 01:59

BREAKING NEWS: Miyagi police chief estimates over 10,000 deaths in Miyagi: NHK


Everything will be back to normal next week though. Not a big deal, Japan was prepared for this.

[Golbez-RG-] 03-13-2011 03:02

It's all part of the apocalypse. Soon 3/4ths of the Earth shall perish and the rest of us will be battling the anti-christ :o

MC Hamster 03-13-2011 03:11

So... just how much fissile material would there likely be in those fuel rods? If this thing is in an uncontrolled (& uncontrollable) runaway, just how much fuel is going to 'go up' in the process?

...and if there's masses of seawater present, with the hydrogen & deuterium available there... then is significant amounts of fusion actually possible/likely?

JoMo 03-13-2011 03:27

I don't think anyone knows MC Hamster.

According to this:

Fukushima I Nuclear Power Plant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Reactor 3 is bigger than Reactor 1. Also has a different designer.

Trickster 03-13-2011 03:28

Let***8217;s let LGBR stop trusting his friends, we stop giving him **** over it, and call it a lesson learned.
If anything, give **** to his idiotic American friends in Japan.

I***8217;m an American in Japan, and I wouldn***8217;t post ***8220;it***8217;s nothing***8221; on Facebook like a moron.


L. Spiro

Kizzak 03-13-2011 03:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoMo (Post 16270612)
BREAKING NEWS: Miyagi police chief estimates over 10,000 deaths in Miyagi: NHK


Everything will be back to normal next week though. Not a big deal, Japan was prepared for this.

You can't ever be prepared for something like this, but I will say that they are a **** load more prepared than we could ever hope to be.

Dangerdoggie 03-13-2011 03:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoMo (Post 16270612)
BREAKING NEWS: Miyagi police chief estimates over 10,000 deaths in Miyagi: NHK


Everything will be back to normal next week though. Not a big deal, Japan was prepared for this.

The wrath of Miyagi

http://thebigredapple.net/wp-content...karate-kid.jpg

for making that ****ty version with will smith's kid.

Rorschach 03-13-2011 03:38

is this the 5th shinra mako reactor?


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