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Captain Tele 12-02-2016 17:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ixiterra (Post 18683439)
Invest in what? The stock market? Creating jobs by trading shares of companies that are already funded? New jobs are derived primarily from new businesses which, by and large, get their startup capital by "thin air" money created by banks on the backing of piddly checking account balances of the middle class.

If an existing business was in the position to expand, a tax cut won't change that. A tax cut primarily directed at the wealthy is not going to increase demand for many products. What it will do is enrich the people at the top of corporations that have been making it the core policy of business to solely enrich the shareholders already. Why would they try to expand a company if it wasn't already in a position to be expanded? What realistic economic motivation is there? "oh we have more money let's spend it"?

we need more start ups and more small new business creation

it used to be the backbone of our nation

The Slow Death of American Entrepreneurship

now it is a corpse of its former self

i like what some states have done with their no taxes for new business platforms. i like this idea of companies under a certain size paying nothing at all in business taxes.

if employment is our goal, which it should be, everyone would be happier paying income taxes than being unemployed and watching a business go away to hire people abroad elsewhere.

this also doesn't help the game riggers and lobbyists like the transnational mega corps that are already cheating the system

Captain Tele 12-02-2016 17:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadHatSam (Post 18683487)
Is there some dearth of wealth right now?

Isn't there some 2 trillion dollars floating around in off shore banks?

At what point does the incentive to invest that out weight the interest earned? Negative tax rates?

there is the real issue

interest earned on what now?

CalPERS Weighs Pros/Cons Of Setting Reasonable Return Targets Vs. Maintaining Ponzi Scheme

era of 10-15% gains in a hedgefund is over......easy money over

real consequences in assuming you can continue to make money off of money, with lowest rates in history, bond market Armageddon occuring, global stagnation on horizon, going to really shake it all up soon.

Add in further potential for fiat monetization to fix our debt/deficit issues and maybe this money will have to be invested in something worthwhile again. like it used to be when there was actual capital being used in capitalism. when buying on margin went belly up......and next new credit bubble wasn't so glorious.

the reality is that the risk has never been higher for such a low return. the houses of safety for capital investment has never been more ass backwards.

BUILD SOMETHING........****IN DO SOMETHING

and for those people to do that we need to encourage and incentivize everything we can but pulling money out of the system, sending it abroad, and hiding it in fear of others (gubmt goons, union goons, tax stealing **** libs) trying to take ownership over it.

Dangerdoggie 12-02-2016 17:33

Now Donald Trump’s Supporters Are Boycotting Kellogg - Eater

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYpnINrZM_M

Kellogg Foundation Gave Nearly $1 Million to Black Lives Matter

no more ad money? guess the gloves come off.

JoMo 12-02-2016 17:50

Incoming China *****ing...

"US President-elect Donald Trump speaks with Tsai Ying-wen, the president of Taiwan, by phone, 3 sources say; first time US president-elect and a leader of Taiwan have spoken since diplomatic relations US-Taiwan were cut in 1979 - Financial Times"

Captain Tele 12-02-2016 19:43

and now you see why the media doesn't like the latest trump deal

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cyrwe7nUUAE1-lz.jpg

if you aint serving food......you aint no goood

Vir 12-02-2016 19:54

wait till the waiters are replaced with robots

Kerosene31 12-02-2016 20:04

How much do you tip a robot waiter?

Captain Tele 12-02-2016 20:05

with your floppy disk

T-Dawg 12-02-2016 20:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kerosene31 (Post 18683708)
How much do you tip a robot waiter?

A nickel and a cadmium

Trashman 12-02-2016 20:20

4 Jewranium

Hellsfury 12-02-2016 20:28

Nothing. We program the robot to tip itself.

cael 12-02-2016 20:38

we need these former manufacturers to serve us our pizza

JoMo 12-02-2016 21:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by cael (Post 18683730)
we need these former manufacturers to serve us our pizza

cael is involved in pizzagate #FBI

JoMo 12-02-2016 21:56

NICE!!!!

Donald J. Trump ***8207;@realDonaldTrump 14m14 minutes ago
Interesting how the U.S. sells Taiwan billions of dollars of military equipment but I should not accept a congratulatory call.



Donald J. Trump ***8207;@realDonaldTrump 1h1 hour ago
The President of Taiwan CALLED ME today to wish me congratulations on winning the Presidency. Thank you!

cael 12-02-2016 22:08

i am willing to bet $5 trump didn't know the us and taiwan didn't have diplomatic relations beforehand

Captain Tele 12-02-2016 22:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by cael (Post 18683778)
i am willing to bet $5 trump didn't know the us and taiwan didn't have diplomatic relations beforehand

they do now

#winning
#maga

cael 12-02-2016 22:11

well yeah now they know

but maybe do a lil research beforehand u know

Validuz 12-02-2016 22:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by -SS- (Post 18683352)
Calm down slappy.

If you had thought about it before vomiting your bull**** at me, then you would have understood I am talking about fence sitters.

Its very obvious hard core leftwingers arent going to vote for trump.

:)

I don't honestly believe people are still sitting on the fence even a month before the election. People make up their minds fairly early on and it takes tremendous effort to change once you have.

amRam 12-02-2016 22:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by cael (Post 18683780)
well yeah now they know

but maybe do a lil research beforehand u know

**** it. #YOLO

Trump don't give a ****. And his tweet is ****ing spot on.

Captain Tele 12-02-2016 22:33

i blame the russians guys

House Quietly Passes Bill Targeting "Russian Propaganda" Websites

the russians did all this

House Quietly Passes Bill Targeting "Russian Propaganda" Websites

russians did everything

and if there is a colluding interest marching to the drum beat of a single entity......that entity isn't our own corporate self interests (like Google)

amRam 12-02-2016 22:38

Media and the left have definitely been trying to create a new boogie man out of Russia. It's ****ing staggering.

Milk-Man 12-02-2016 22:41

Quick, someone make a picture of Obama saying "Thanks Russia"

-SS- 12-02-2016 22:48

Another thing I really like:

Trump doesnt have a very high bar to overcome as president.

And I will bet you wont hear "but but but obama!"

Odio 12-02-2016 22:49

no, they are still blaming bush for **** in 2016.

Validuz 12-02-2016 22:50

They should.

Bush was ****. Clinton was ****. Bush was ****. Obama is ****.

**** doesn't just end once the presidency ends. It continues for decades.

phaytal 12-02-2016 23:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Tele (Post 18683549)
we need more start ups and more small new business creation

it used to be the backbone of our nation

The Slow Death of American Entrepreneurship

now it is a corpse of its former self

i like what some states have done with their no taxes for new business platforms. i like this idea of companies under a certain size paying nothing at all in business taxes.

if employment is our goal, which it should be, everyone would be happier paying income taxes than being unemployed and watching a business go away to hire people abroad elsewhere.

this also doesn't help the game riggers and lobbyists like the transnational mega corps that are already cheating the system

This has absolutely nothing to do with the non-desire to create businesses, and everything to do with young people graduating college with crippling debt that grows exponentially if they don't start paying it off immediately.

-SS- 12-02-2016 23:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Odio (Post 18683809)
no, they are still blaming bush for **** in 2016.

Well here is the underlying subtext:

democrats will over-promise everyone everything
accomplish none of it
blame someone else for it

standard playbook stuff

just look at 2008. what has owebama really accomplished besides his apology tour? he is such a piss poor 'leader' he couldnt even get single payer through with his majorities in congress in '09.

and what do they do? blame republicans who never voted for it. :lol:

phaytal 12-02-2016 23:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Tele (Post 18683678)
and now you see why the media doesn't like the latest trump deal

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cyrwe7nUUAE1-lz.jpg

if you aint serving food......you aint no goood

Funny. Manufacturing is up almost 200% in the US since 2008. It's called automation.

cogzinofa 12-02-2016 23:10

KING: Democratic staffer exposes the soft bigotry of Senate Dems - NY Daily News

StapleMammal1 12-02-2016 23:47

http://i.imgur.com/lYj6i8t.jpg

StapleMammal1 12-03-2016 00:13

:lol:

Quote:

A black man was arrested for spray painting racist, anti-black graffiti on cars and businesses in South Philadelphia the day after the election. He was trying to make it look like Trump supporters committed the vandalism.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozmndLVMHak

JoMo 12-03-2016 00:15

"China's foreign minister on President-elect Trump's call with Taiwan's leader: 'China firmly opposes any official interaction or military cooperation between the US and Taiwan,' state media reports - NBC News"

Wat?

"China's foreign minister says call between Taiwan's president and President-elect Trump was 'just a small trick by Taiwan,' Hong Kong's Phoenix TV reports - AP"

Reggs 12-03-2016 00:30

Trump said he received the call.

There is something odd about this. I have no real conclusion, but it's very out of character for Taiwan. Trump would not have said who initiated the call unless Ing-Win agreed on that public statement.

I think Trump initiated the call, some talk about something took place, then Ing-win and Trumg agreed that they's say Ing-win initiated the call.

JoMo 12-03-2016 00:31

China is trying to play it off, so they aren't really bothered by it.

dr. nick 12-03-2016 00:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ixiterra (Post 18683451)
The problem is demand which is what the middle/poor class provides... assuming they have the money to do so. Creating a new product doesn't create demand unless it is something technologically innovative or whatever. It might squeeze out another company, but it does not create new demand just because it exists. Rich people don't create jobs, the economy does, and for that to happen the wealth needs to be somewhat reasonably distributed.

Instead, we have lawmakers in the pockets of the wealthy and creating laws protecting them or removing laws protecting everyone else have eroded the middle class and led to stark decreases in middle class ownership of the economy. A yyuuge tax cut isn't going to change that trend.

Quote:

Originally Posted by absent (Post 18683454)
You can't have a healthy middle class society if you don't heavily limit the capital accumulation of individuals (or corporations etc), since the rich will simply buy out the system. The best setup is to tax companies 80% of their net income, then re-distribute it back to them based on petitions for development.

Thanks to govt corruption and income inequality the rich don't need to create jobs. They can buy out everyone to a welfare system as mentioned (car and xBox included). Just enough to prevent a collapse or civil unrest.

To make matters worse comes our undergrad 4-yr system that ruins kids' lives because govt doesn't regulate them. (colleges haven't updated their curriculum in a while). The college flag burning was protesting them realizing this.

Colleges should be matchmakers with careers and work-up students to pick something viable (think Michael Douglas the Game, with invasive personality profiling).

For ex, music majors get "economic classes" (really brainwashing classes) that influence them to a 2nd choice training program that pays the bills. If they can't convert them they get a funding ding

Sure colleges teach problem solving but that's only half.

I can't believe people don't talk about the statement Tim Cook made about no skilled workers in the US to make iPhones. He admits 4yr colleges killed off trade schools. It can't be both ways for the people saying a robot replaces jobs. That isn't the root cause

Reggs 12-03-2016 01:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reggs (Post 18683858)
Trump said he received the call.

There is something odd about this. I have no real conclusion, but it's very out of character for Taiwan. Trump would not have said who initiated the call unless Ing-Win agreed on that public statement.

I think Trump initiated the call, some talk about something took place, then Ing-win and Trumg agreed that they's say Ing-win initiated the call.

Just read that Taiwan said Trump initiated the call.

Something is going on here.

KingSobieski 12-03-2016 01:17

[Mega] MAGA Super Trump Mega Thread
 
It's interesting why our foreign policy is aligned with communist china vs break away independent Taiwan. Next up is trump talking to Tibet. Obviously the left is pissed off, number one leader of third rate communist tyrant Fidel Castro just died and now number one communist state china is being told to go **** themselves

It's really just about a loud mouthed American president now equipped with a twitter account. I wonder what Benjamin franklin would write in 1200 letters or less.

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MadHatSam 12-03-2016 01:19

China is more subtle than the US or Russia. They will just up the interest on Trump's loans or something if they are actually upset.

KingSobieski 12-03-2016 01:24

[Mega] MAGA Super Trump Mega Thread
 
china will not lash out right away; it's not the Asian way. China is competitive and will understand USA waking up to finally compete. They will simply give no hint about what they really think -Total silence. Russia is sneaky and self serving and secretive yet communicative. They are smart chess players. They will actively play the game and throw curve balls. Middle East is dominated by extreme religions and constant civil war. Resulting damage is mostly collateral and not well organized. Africa is AFK none issue.

Trump is a bumbling baffoon. This is how a American president should act. Totally unawares of the intricacies of foreign affairs. Chopping through a forest with a sledge hammer.


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Phyzx 12-03-2016 01:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by phaytal (Post 18683821)
This has absolutely nothing to do with the non-desire to create businesses, and everything to do with young people graduating college with crippling debt that grows exponentially if they don't start paying it off immediately.

College graduates dont typically start most businesses. They work there, but arent generally good at taking leaps of faith required to launch and grow a business from inception.


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