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JuggerNaught 01-20-2021 21:57

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Originally Posted by amRam (Post 19289627)
You're answering his simplistic garbage with more simplistic garbage of your own just FYI

There's a fine line between order and chaos, and this is the reason most societies have a finite life. They lose the balance. You need progressive ideas just as much as you need structured conservative principles to implement and run those ideas.

Oh you absolutely need a balance thats why the 'pendulum' swings back and forth in this country. All those fantastic humanitarian programs the left comes up with ultimately ends up being paid for by the taxpayer and there is only so far that taxpayers will be taxed.

So then the right has to come back in and be the bad guys for a while, and left unchecked they too will go to an extreme until we don't give a **** about people at all, then the left comes back in...rinse and repeat

amRam 01-20-2021 21:58

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Originally Posted by MC Hamster (Post 19289628)
There's a difference in the concept of the 'threat' here that we're probably diverging a bit on. I'm talking about the threat of the ideologies in themselves. You seem to be focusing on the threat that those ideologies are enacted. You're suggesting that leftism is a greater threat because leftist ideals are (in the current climate) more likely to come to pass, not because of the threat posed by those ideals in themselves. That's the point I was making.

I think we're on different paths, there.

I see no benefit to either far left or far right ideologies. Neither extreme has done anything good for humanity in the modern age. Arguing about which ideology in itself is worse seems kind of fruitless. What matters is which direction the pendulum is swinging, and how much resistance there is against it.

Gouge 01-20-2021 21:58

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Originally Posted by Kiint (Post 19289377)
More like lickbox. Trumps taint ain't gonna lick itself.

This is your 3rd gay comment about Trump today, you really have a thing for old men, don't you?

JuggerNaught 01-20-2021 21:59

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Originally Posted by Kiint (Post 19289630)
Most major cities in America are considered "left" leaning cities, you're basically saying that major cities aren't prosperous, and only rural centers show any prosperity ...

And look at left leaning cities vs right.

Left cities like
Detroit
Chicago
New york
Seattle
San Francisco

What hasn't already died on that list is in a downward spiral of crime and drugs

MC Hamster 01-20-2021 21:59

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Originally Posted by JuggerNaught (Post 19289624)
Lets say the country was a life raft surrounded by people in the water. The left wants to take on everyone because its the humanitarian thing to do. The right says we can't or we'll all drown and the left screams about what heartless bastards the right is, even though those actions ultimately benefit all

And somewhere between, there is a point where the life raft can take on a whole bunch of those people without really suffering.

There are also a bunch of other life rafts out there, with people in them looking at the occupants of that life raft and wondering how they should react. Maybe, between all the life rafts out there, there's actually enough room for the people in the water, and no-one has to die.

Kiint 01-20-2021 22:02

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Originally Posted by JuggerNaught (Post 19289635)
And look at left leaning cities vs right.

Left cities like
Detroit
Chicago
New york
Seattle
San Francisco

What hasn't already died on that list is in a downward spiral of crime and drugs

Waiting on the list of what you consider right leaning cities buddy ...

This might help:

https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-conte...ve_cities1.png

JuggerNaught 01-20-2021 22:04

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Originally Posted by MC Hamster (Post 19289636)
And somewhere between, there is a point where the life raft can take on a whole bunch of those people without really suffering.

Thats what leftists think...because they are thinking of the problem with their heart. Meanwhile the right is looking at how close the water is to coming into the boat.

Quote:

There are also a bunch of other life rafts out there, with people in them looking at the occupants of that life raft and wondering how they should react. Maybe, between all the life rafts out there, there's actually enough room for the people in the water, and no-one has to die.
But they're all coming to one life raft.

lemon 01-20-2021 22:04

acting like cities, as centers of financial activity, are financial islands unto themselves is incredibly funny

ALL THE MONEY IS IN THE CITY

amRam 01-20-2021 22:05

Prosperity in cities is a function of geography. You're all seriously retarded for bothering with such a dumb argument. There's no causal relationship between the predominant political ideology of a city and its financial prosperity. Its financially favorable for workers and businesses to congregate closely, thus cities.

havax 01-20-2021 22:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by amRam (Post 19289633)
I see no benefit to either far left or far right ideologies. Neither extreme has done anything good for humanity in the modern age. Arguing about which ideology in itself is worse seems kind of fruitless. What matters is which direction the pendulum is swinging, and how much resistance there is against it.

this right here.

and you can't deny (unless you want to lie to yourself and everyone else) that pretty much every institution in america is ran by the left now, the media, social media/big tech, government (local, state, and federal), hollywood/television, education, and even most huge corporations (take a look at the board members, usually left leaning people and sometimes even leftist politicians themselves). the balance is so far off that **** is starting to give. and when **** starts to give, it means that the balance is going to want to forcefully right itself, and it's not going to be pretty.

cael 01-20-2021 22:08

we've finally reached the whine about both parties stage of grief

-SS- 01-20-2021 22:08

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Originally Posted by Kiint (Post 19289566)
I agree with the Hamster, and the reason why I agree is that the far right in general, demonstrated by many countries through history and most recently in the last four years of the US, have demonstrated a propensity towards regressive, restrictive, and societally destructive policies including taking away the rights of people (abortion choice for example) and relaxing restrictions on corporations to prey on the public with impunity.

The right do not engage in progressive policies that improve the general wellbeing of the people as a whole.

That is why the far right represents a greater societal threat.

:rofl:

jfc, it's like you collectivist losers purposely overlook the abject failures of collectivism? Or are purposely lying to promote a loser's ideology here?

Did you not learn about 20th century collectivism and the world wars it spawned, the murderous take overs, the gulags, systemic racism (nazis)? Collectivist ****bags are responsible for at least 100 million deaths last century.

Here is a nice feel good story:
Mugabe returns to socialism | World news | The Guardian

v.

https://qz.com/africa/458137/mugabe-...e-chased-away/

:Hmm:

Leftwing losers are murderous thugs but the "right" is the problem?

LMFAO, you really cant make this **** up. :lol: :lol:

cael 01-20-2021 22:10

now that trump is out of power both sides are terrible i can't believe u partisan shills would even vote i just want there to be some balance :(

phaytal 01-20-2021 22:11

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Originally Posted by havax (Post 19289642)
this right here.

and you can't deny (unless you want to lie to yourself and everyone else) that pretty much every institution in america is ran by the left now, the media, social media/big tech, government (local, state, and federal), hollywood/television, education, and even most huge corporations (take a look at the board members, usually left leaning people and sometimes even leftist politicians themselves). the balance is so far off that **** is starting to give. and when **** starts to give, it means that the balance is going to want to forcefully right itself, and it's not going to be pretty.

:lol:

lemon 01-20-2021 22:12

lol ur president is an 80 year old jesus freak

cael 01-20-2021 22:13

that just means biden gets to discover he's president every morning

what a lucky guy !

-SS- 01-20-2021 22:17

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Originally Posted by Gouge (Post 19289634)
This is your 3rd gay comment about Trump today, you really have a thing for old men, don't you?

as stated before, collectivism is for losers and degenerates

KittyCat 01-20-2021 22:17

How did trump lose to an 80 year old in his basement

MC Hamster 01-20-2021 22:19

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Originally Posted by -SS- (Post 19289645)
:rofl:
...

This is why it's hard to take you seriously, Spinny. You just used nazis as an example of the problems with leftism.

JuggerNaught 01-20-2021 22:22

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Originally Posted by Kiint (Post 19289637)
Waiting on the list of what you consider right leaning cities buddy ...

This might help:

https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-conte...ve_cities1.png

Ok, and none of those cities are the hollowed out husk of a city like Detroit, none of them have daily running gun battles like chicago, none of them have so many homeless ****ting on the streets that someone actually made an app to track the piles like SF.

And New York..i mean do i have to list the ways its ****ed up?

Those were at one time major metro areas and then democrats and progressives started pushing for social programs...that aren't free....that end up getting paid for by things like local corporate tax, sales tax, penny taxes and the companies get tired of getting hammered and leave, taking their jobs with them. When the jobs go, the people that pay the taxes go. When the people that pay the taxes go, you have no more money to keep the city going and what you have left is the less than desirable citizens...drugs....prost itution....crime.


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